I have Never Read An article with which I have so Vehemently Disagreed

[Louis VI the Fat]

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...579533291.html

A 4000 word strawman complete with another strawman wrapped within the larger strawman narrative.

Is their a section of Isreali society that sees this as a zero sum game? (Every Arab child is one more brick in the wall so to speak) of course. However there is also a section of Plaestinian society...A much larger, much more politcaly active, and much better armed section that think the exact same thing.

Of course this is how the author feels as well. Any show of sympathy toward Jewish children is sympathy that is taken away from Arab children. Couple that with a nice dose of good ol fashion Arab victim "everything is black and white" mentallity and you get a diatrbae of how we demonize children and it's institutionilized.

Then to try an extrapolate the arguement into somekind of reflection of US race relations is a trip into bizzarro world. As if the phrase tough neighborhood is execlusivly used in such narrow terms. I have never heard the Isreali-Palistine conflict framed in such a way. An utter trash paragraph that serves only to give faux ammunition to the authors rediculous claims.

And of course when you use words like "Jewish Settler colony" you lose all credibilty with me. Such phrases are best left in a 1000 level polysci course.

Do I agree with allowing Jewish kids writing death messages on artillery peices? No. Do I agree with a Plaistenian Mickey Mouse spreading Jew hate? No. See how that works, I can simultaneously acknoweldge two wrongs are happening at once and I manage to do it without de-humanizing anyone!

Bollox, Strike.

That article is a very fine examination of US discourse about Israel.

[Strike For The South]

You have my attention

[Louis VI the Fat]

Yes, I was afraid you'd say that.

Courtesy now obliges me to expand on my stated opinion. What was I thinking?



Hmmm...maybe I can put you off guard with a quick tribesie, and get away with it: Now then, Strike, has it never occurred to you in your judeogerontophilia that there is a noticable difference in the treatment of Jews and Arabs in the mainstream American press, notably, that this press writes from a complete internalisation of the Israeli point of view?
Owing to the strength of the Jewish lobby, the overrepresentation in American media, movie and media finance of people who identify with the Israeli side, and to a general acceptance of the post-1945/8 theological-cultural invention of a 'common Judeo-Christian culture'?

[Banquo's Ghost]

Hmmm...maybe I can put you off guard with a quick tribesie, and get away with it: Now then, Strike, has it never occurred to you in your judeogerontophilia that there is a noticable difference in the treatment of Jews and Arabs in the mainstream American press, notably, that this press writes from a complete internalisation of the Israeli point of view?
Owing to the strength of the Jewish lobby, the overrepresentation in American media, movie and media finance of people who identify with the Israeli side, and to a general acceptance of the post-1945/8 theological-cultural invention of a 'common Judeo-Christian culture'?

No laughing smileys means Tribesy-fail. :

[Louis VI the Fat]

No laughing smileys means Tribesy-fail. :

Arthur Foxache, how could I forget about them!?

[Ice]

No laughing smileys means Tribesy-fail. :

Ah the "good" ole days.

[Devastatin Dave]

Ah the "good" ole days.

Amen

[PanzerJaeger]

When both parties jump all over each other to show just how enthusiastically they support the same cause - in this case, their support of a tiny, virtually meaningless nation - something is definitely going on behind the curtain. What that something is, I will not venture to say...

[Fragony]

Must be movies I haven't seen, know only the excellent Waltz with Bashir. But is a jewish kid worth more than a Palestinian one, of course, the people who make monsters out of them certainly think so. And than they get shot oh dear. They are raised to be murderous bastards and they will die as murderous bastards BLAM make another one she isn't going anywhere anyway pump her up

[Strike For The South]

Yes, I was afraid you'd say that.

Courtesy now obliges me to expand on my stated opinion. What was I thinking?



Hmmm...maybe I can put you off guard with a quick tribesie, and get away with it: Now then, Strike, has it never occurred to you in your judeogerontophilia that there is a noticable difference in the treatment of Jews and Arabs in the mainstream American press, notably, that this press writes from a complete internalisation of the Israeli point of view?
Owing to the strength of the Jewish lobby, the overrepresentation in American media, movie and media finance of people who identify with the Israeli side, and to a general acceptance of the post-1945/8 theological-cultural invention of a 'common Judeo-Christian culture'?

Meh, Israleis have the better PR firm no doubt but the average American will have just as much sympathy for any child. I also think Amercia frames the conflict in its own terms but not in the conflated way this peice propagates. Isreal is a functioning democracy with all the trappings of a modern state. Palestine is 3rd world. Now some of that is Isreals fault but at the end of the day Americans will generally side with the like group of people, in this case the one with a PM, congress, and shopping malls.

The most vocal Palestinian supporters in America do themselves no favors either. Basically pumping propaganda for the PLO, they earn themselves no followers. Of course most propaganda from the Arab world looks like it comes from a 3 year old autistic child but I guess that sort of thing is to be expected when you don't have elections

The mans article is so grating on common sense it's rediculous

At the end of the day it comes down to this. Isreal could keep their crazies in check, I don't think Palestine can do the same, mostly due to the countries around Palestine

So yea

[Sarmatian]

At the end of the day it comes down to this. Isreal could keep their crazies in check,

Remains to be seen. An effort to do that would be a start.

[Incongruous]

Meh, Israleis have the better PR firm no doubt but the average American will have just as much sympathy for any child. I also think Amercia frames the conflict in its own terms but not in the conflated way this peice propagates. Isreal is a functioning democracy with all the trappings of a modern state. Palestine is 3rd world. Now some of that is Isreals fault but at the end of the day Americans will generally side with the like group of people, in this case the one with a PM, congress, and shopping malls.

The most vocal Palestinian supporters in America do themselves no favors either. Basically pumping propaganda for the PLO, they earn themselves no followers. Of course most propaganda from the Arab world looks like it comes from a 3 year old autistic child but I guess that sort of thing is to be expected when you don't have elections

The mans article is so grating on common sense it's rediculous

At the end of the day it comes down to this. Isreal could keep their crazies in check, I don't think Palestine can do the same, mostly due to the countries around Palestine

So yea

Israel's PR firm is the vast majority of the Western media, so yeah, they clearly have the advantage there. They also have the advantage of vast amounts of American arms and money, which they use in fun ways, like shooting angry rock armed people from behind the safety of wire fences, or arming crazy maronite militias in order for said militias to go about slaughtering lots of dirty arab refugees. The fun really doesn't stop in Israel, for they also allow mass murderers to run their governments, far from keeping these crazies in check they let them have the run of the place.

Now about those settler colonies, sure it is not a phrase which rolls off the tongue, so I'm open to suggestions as to how one should describe those vast concrete forts built atop the remains of a "3rd world" community.
I suppose you are right in that America see's some of itself in Israel, the rank hypocrisy, the support of the semi-fascist militias and politicians which they fund to dog the societies of their unyielding neighbours, and of course the unflinching belief that they both somehow stand as beacon's of liberty against all the evidence of history.

[Strike For The South]

U mad brah?

[Incongruous]

Apoplectic