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    Ouch! Sadayu is dead? That is baaad news. Interested to see what happens.
    I'm not going to lie, when he got hit and I heard the "Our general has fallen!" alert.. my heart sank a bit.

    Glad you are enjoying the story as it continues!

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    Hey Monk, how is this AAR going? It has been a long time since the last update.

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    Sincere apologies to those who were following this, but the summer was far busier than I ever anticipated it would be. Mostly due to some big events that cropped out out of nowhere and I couldn't avoid them. However, if anyone is still reading this, I want you to know that I haven't forgotten about this! I still have the save-games and all my notes, as well as enough replays to cover the next 15 years of the chronical before I even need to play a turn.

    You can expect to read about the final battles in the Ikko-Hattori conflict coming this Sunday. And from there on, updates every 3 days.





    The Ikko Republic has lost its greatest hero, but the Hattori clan has not escaped the conflict without casualties of their own. Locked in a struggle for survival, which power can capitalize on the other's weakness and claim dominion over central Honshu?

    Or shall both fall prey to a new threat, rising in the east?
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    IV - To Avenge the Fallen

    In the wake of Yamato fields the Ikko-Ikki were completely thrown out of the province. The remnants of the armed forces still left in region were forced to retreat north with the Hattori hot on their heels. Yamato was lost and Yasunaga, In-field commander of all Hattori forces, was keen to keep the pressure on. Though he himself was called away to the west, his lieutenants easily seized their clan's former capital at Iga. with the Ikko lacking a strong unified leader in the south, and with reinforcements nowhere close enough to support the disorganized militias, the Hattori rolled up the southern part of Honshu quite easily.

    Iga and Yamato were back in Hattori hands by the first chill of winter.


    The first snow fall at Todaiji,
    Clan Hattori territory
    November, 1554

    Though the campaign had proven to be an utter disaster, the Ikko Republic had been damaged far more by the loss of Sazuki Sadayu, the hero of the Ikko movement and beloved of the people. As Commander In-Field of all Ikko-Ikki, he was more responsible for the spread of the movement than any other man alive. Apart from Shonyo himself, perhaps, and there were citizens of the republic who would even contest that! But there is one thing none could contest, and that was the effect Sadayu's death had on the holy man. Shonyo disappeared into seclusion upon news of his most trusted general and friend's passing, none saw him save his advisors and Shimozuma Jutsurai, the de facto head of the Ikko administration.

    Records of meetings held by the two men are hard to come by, and what transpired isn't fully clear. But as months passed, Jutsurai began to make more and more public appearances. Always having stayed in the background, he was far more active after the death of Sadayu. Proposing far more local edicts and ordinances, relaxing restrictions on trade, and further increasing payment and compensation for peasants who answered the call of the Ikko-Ikki to battle. Despite his militaristic background and reputation, he was the unifying force the Republic sorely needed. The army was in shambles, not only from the southern campaign, but from over five years of near constant campaigning. Jutsurai was responsible for the rebuilding and recruitment efforts that sprang up across the republic. Greater temples and dojos were built where men could dedicate themselves, not only to the Ikko faith, but to the pursuit of war. It wasn't long before he had the Ikko-Ikki rebuilt, and a new battle cry ready to be tested on the fields.

    "To seek battle while knowing little of war is foolish. To know war and not seek battle is equally as foolish." ~ Shimozuma Jutsurai

    The Republic had shifted its focus, under Jutsurai's leadership, a much more proactive stance in regards to external threats would from this point would be taken. No longer would the motto of the Ikko-Ikki be to capture and defend. When a threat was perceived to the republic, the Ikko-Ikki would attack. The people offered little resistance to this change. Many had died in the south, their greatest hero amung them! As the period of mourning passed, a powerful thirst for revenge took hold. It is not at all unlikely that rabel-rousing efforts played a huge part in that. But historians have found little evidence to paint Jutsurai as anything but a savior of a fledgling power.

    This new direction was in direct opposition to Shonyo's teachings, who was conspicuously more and more distant from the Ikko-Ikki movement after 1554. Still the leader of the people's faith, he secluded himself in the mountainous region of Echizen, surrounded by monks loyal to him and the Ikko. From time to time he would make pilgrimages to the capital city, but for the most part, he distanced himself from Jutsurai's administration. Strangely, he never condemned it either. If he had, it is unlikely Jutsurai could have taken the people in the direction he did.

    Jutsurai, meanwhile, consolidated his power as Shonyo withdrew from the public eye. As the new year dawned upon Japan the Ikko Republic was well on its way to recovering from the debacle that was the previous campaign. However, there was a growing concern that it simply could not sustain further fighting. The Ikko-Ikki needed time to settle down and catch their breath before any further expansion could be seriously considered. Jutsurai knew that if another forray into the south was made it would need to be quick and precise. Lucky for him, the Hattori clan was suffering far more than the Ikko-Ikki was.

    In the Aftermath of Yamato Fields and the recapturing of Iga, the Hattori had been forced to fight five major battles along the breadth of their realm. Initially, this paid off when they obliterated the Yamana clan in north centeral Japan, but the political fallout made them no friends. Their list of enemies had grown quite large through their war-mongering reputation. Perhaps the only power in central Honshu who had not fought them was the Ashikaga forces in Kyoto, and even there tension was starting to mount! The time for Jutsurai came in 1555, when Hattori Yasunaga was killed in battle on the border with the Tokugawa. Spread thin and their most dangerous commander now out of the way, the Ikko-Ikki would strike...


    The Battle of Todaiji
    Jan, 1555
    Beligerents: Ikko Republic v Clan Hattori
    Commanders: Matsunaga Hirotsugu | Hata Shigehira

    The Battle of Todaiji was an altogether small engagement. Counting to its credit likely only half the total number of troops per side that fought at Yamato fields, yet its impact was substantial. Stretched thin and facing increasingly desperate times as they fought in all directions, central Honshu was ripe for the taking. The Ikko-Ikki launched a brutal assault upon Iga in 1555 that secured the province with relative ease. Matsunaga Hirotsugu, commander of the Ikko-Ikki in the south, managed to take the Fortress at Iga in a daring night raid, suffering little casualties. His victory, and subsequent march into Yamato, set the stage for Todaiji, and the carnage it inspired.



    Arriving in late January the fields were frozen over and a terrible chill cut straight to the bone as the Ikko-Ikki made their way foward. The road to Todaiji was not at all easy, a winter march is deadly if not properly undertaken, and the Ikko-Ikki had suffered greatly through their trek. Still, they stood proud, ready to do battle with the republic's enemies. The Ikko were never ones to shy away from their duty in service, and the dicipline instilled by Jutsurai's reforms only drove that home further. Another gift of the reforms was the presence of Ikko-Ikki cavalry. A first for the republic!



    Led by a promising new warrior by the name of Hajikano Yukiie, they were the pride of Jutsurai but an unproven investment, as Todaiji would be their first true taste of blood. But to men like Hirotsugu, they represented a danger. Until now the state itself had armed and trained all who took up arms for the Ikko-Ikki, these men were wealthy enough to provide their own arms, and were afforded greater training than your average foot soldier. Thought it was true Samurai had carried the Ikko banner in battles previous (some to great honor!) they were always ronin. Hirotsugu and others like him, worried a dangerous precedent was being set...



    Across the field, blocking the road toward Kii province was Hata Shigenhira, with the rest of the Hattori forces at his command. A man of some tactical skill, he had served honorably and was responsible for organizing the push that drove the Ikko remnant forces out of yamato, some years prior. Though he had not had true battle experience, he was sadly the best the Hattori could muster after so many losses. Yet as the Ikko-Ikki advanced upon him, cold wind biting at his face, he began to wonder if he could hold back the tide.

    Hirotsugu would give his adversary little time to think about what he could or could not do. Ordering the cavalry to swing wide around the left, he marched his men forward under the covering fire of the archers and slammed his men home, meeting the hattori toe to toe, just as the Ikko-Ikki had done at Yamato. The difference now, was that they were on even ground and the fight was fair. Even so, the men of the Hattori clan stood their ground tenaciously, even as the banner went high and Yukiie's cavalry charge hit home, breaking the line into a number of different areas of action, they held the line.



    Hirotsugu couldn't believe it. Even broken, the Hattori made the Ikko-Ikki fight, tooth and nail for every last inch. Step by bloody step, his men were continuing to push forward, but they were suffering two, sometimes three men felled for every hattori soldier slain. He couldn't sustain this pace, and he knew it! Battlefield reports indicate Hirotsugu sent word to Yukiie multiple times, ordering him to charge his men against the hattori rear - but the cavalry commander couldn't comply. His men were locked in a vicious struggle in and around the left flank with the Hattori cavalry, and were suffering heavy losses.



    Just as it appeared the Ikko-Ikki would be forced to withdraw, the site of yellow banner, caught high in the wind caught Hirotsugu's attention. Yukiie had managed a break through and was barreling down hard on the Hattori flank. His men came crashing in, breaking the lines even further and forcing a total route! The men cheered over the broken bodies of their enemies as Yukiie led the cavalry on to persue the routers. The day'd been won, the cavalry had proven beyond any doubt their power and place within the Ikko-Ikki forces. But Hirotsugu was unconvinced. Matsunaga Hirotsugu was no fool. Correspondence from the general paint the picture of a paranoid and resentful man. He believed Yukiie was deliberately holding back the charge, today its impossible to tell if this was indeed the case, as battle records of the Sengoku era cannot always be reliable. What is known, however, is that casualty reports from the Tokugawa front paint a very disturbing picture. The Hattori cavalry divisions were decimated in the fight against Tokugawa Ieyasu.. It is unlikely they could have delayed Hajikano Yukiie and the rest of the Ikko cavalry for so long..

    In the aftermath of Todaiji, Hattori resistance in central Honshu completely collapsed. Hata Shigehira escaped the battle, or is to believed to have as his body was never found - but no further records of a man by his name appear in history after that point. The Ikko-Ikki pressed their advantage, and by 1558, had completely whiped out all Hattori resistance in the central Honshu, including retaking what the Hattori clan had "stolen" from the Yamana. Pushed out of their homelands, their greatest heroes dead, and the tide turning against them, the Hattori Clan sued for peace. Jutsurai accepted their offer in the Iga Accord of 1558, and a time of peace was once again brought to the Republic.

    Jutsurai would use this great victory as proof, not only that his army reforms had been much needed and highly effective, but that the Republic should aggressively seek out its enemies and deal with them upon the field. There is little evidence that anyone opposed that view, peacefully or otherwise. He had defeated the enemies who had brought down the great Sadayu, who could argue? And if they did, he now had the power to "quell" such arguments.

    As soldiers of the Ikko-Ikki consolidated and secured their vast new holdings, a new threat began to make itself known... One far greater than the Hattori Clan had ever been...


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    Wow Hattori are on the run now!

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    Yeah but look out for the red giant

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    V. Takeda Shingen

    In the wars against the Takoaka Alliance and the Asai, the Ikko Republic could always claimed that defense, not conquest, was their primary reason for maintaining an effective fighting force in the field. After the terrible battles of the Hattori-Ikko conflict and the assimilation of much of central Honshu beneath the Ikko-Ikki banner, that was no longer the case. The Ashikaga Shogunate in Kyoto had been observing the fledgling power with great interest, but after the fall of the Hattori that interest had turned to concern. With the Ikko faith being carried by traders and commoners across Japan, who was to say how far this new movement would spread? Though an even more pressing question troubled the Shogun. Who could stop it?

    Even as the Ikko-Ikki had struggled for the very right to exist against the Takoaka and Asai decades ago, another power had been building in the east of Honshu. As Suzuki Sadayu lay dying on the fields of Yamato, Takeda Shingen was leading the final push to defeat the Uesugi coalition and uniting the eastern isles. Shingen, once ruler of only the mountainous province of Kai, had won great fame in his conquests across Honshu. The Uesugi, beneath their daimyo Uesugi Kenshin, had appeared destined to take control of much of the islands. Built upon an alliance of the Date, Uesugi and the Hojo, the coalition was nigh unstoppable going into 1550 - when it ran directly into the fledgling Takeda clan. Completely annhihilating the Hojo in the opening seasons of the conflict, Shingen brought to his support the Imagawa clan and their Tokugawa vassals. United, the new alliance utterly destroyed the Uesugi Coalition and brought Honshu beneath the control of the alliance's leader: Takeda Shingen. By 1560, he had accepted the unconditional surrender of the Uesugi.


    The Takeda Alliance, 1558 with Noto province highlighted, conquered a year later
    Members: Takeda - Red, Imagawa - Grey, Tokugawa - White.

    Shingen was content in his vast conquests, and why should he not be? Having issued forth from Kai as a means only to secure the protection of his clan, he had won a worthy peace. Together with the Tokugawa and Imagawa, he controlled all of East Honshu accept for the Date clan in the north. Though if records of the Takeda clan are reliable, the Date paid regular tribute to the Takeda, and appeared to want no conflict with the powerful clan.

    The Shogunate's dilemma was even greater than a Republic of peasants controlling the cities and roads beyond Kyoto. Where the Hattori had looked to unite much of the center before, now an even greater power had risen in the lands beyond central Honshu. The Ashikaga could feel the winds of change blowing, but instead of turning into them, the Shogun decided he would fight it with all his might. In 1559 as the Takeda cleaned up the last traces of coalition resistance, Shingen was invited to the imperial court by the Emperor. Or so he believed. Upon arriving to the Imperial Palace he soon discovered that it was the Shogun who had invited him, and not the Emperor. Interestingly there is absolutely no record of Shingen accepting the invitation, nor of his journey to Kyoto. There, if folklore is to believed, he listened to the please of the Shogun, which all boiled down to one request: Destroy the Ikko-Ikki.

    This likely would never have been known for certain had the great warlord not decided to journey to Echizen, capitol of the Ikko Republic in the fall of 1559. His arrival was greeted with the fanfare you'd expect from a public figure like him. Tales of Shingen's heroism and conquests were no secret. He was practically a legend to the common-folk, and when he arrived, he recieved the type of treatment you'd expect from a national hero. Even Jutsurai, who knew Shingen to be a cunning warrior and potential enemy, showed great respect to Shingen upon their meeting.

    Takeda Shingen was in awe by the respect shown to him, no matter whom he spoke to, all treated him as if he was a member of the Republic itself. He and Jutsurai met and discussed much, records kept of that meeting have survived surprisingly well, but they are of the mundane type. The two men postulated, and showed each other diplomatic courtesy respective of their positions, but few things of importance were discussed. Shingen left the meeting making just one request of the Ikko Administrator - to meet with the reclusive Shonyo. Jutsurai was surprised by the request, but honored it all the same.

    The Takeda warlord and Shonyo met on a cold afternoon, far from the city of Echizen in the mountainous stronghold of the Ikko-Ikki monk. There, the true discussion between the two powers took place. Though Jutsurai was the leader of the Republic, Shingen showed far more respect for the aging holy man than he did the de facto administrator of the Ikko-Ikki. Shonyo returned the respect shown to him and as the two talked, it was clear that neither truly wished ill or war to spring forward between the two powers. Shingen revealed the Shogun's desires to see the Ikko destroyed, but this was no surprise to Shonyo - his movement threatened the very foundation of power that had taken root in Japan. Even in the Takeda lands.

    Though Shingen could not support or declare the Ikko-Ikki a friend, as his own ideaology was radically opposed, he knew that the war with the Republic would not be easy. And neither man trusted the Shogun, that was for sure. The two parted their meeting, agreeing to do everything in their power to keep the peace. To facilitate this, Shonyo returned to Echizen after almost five years in seclusion. His voice would once again push for a non-aggressive stance in the Ikko-Ikki. Jutsurai was unnerved, he had spend great efforts in modernizing the army, and now, his hands were being tied. Still, above all, Jutsurai was loyal to the Ikko-Ikki: and Shonyo was the Ikko as much as anyone could ever be.

    The Ikko-Ikki republic established tenative trade rights with the Takeda Alliance. However, even as the people began to be comfortable with the peace, it was not meant to last.



    Artist Depiction of the Great Famine of 1561

    Japan was in crisis. Two decades of warfare through-out the islands had created a great need for food and supplies. Armies needed to be fed, great citadels could not be built without proper supplies, and in 1561 those supplies were running low. After three consecutive years of sub-par harvests even the most frugal of clans saw their storehouses running dry. There simply wasn't enough food to go around and public order began to break down as a result. The words of the Ikko-Ikki which taught equality were now on the lips of every man and woman with a growling belly. Riots broke out in many territories neighboring the Ikko Republic, demonstrations against the samurai warlords who held power. In many of these the demonstrators were rounded up and imprisoned or otherwise put down, but in Settsu and Noto provinces, this was far from the case.

    Settsu was home to Osaka, a city hit hardest by the famines, and when riots broke out in late Feburary of 1561, the Hattori clan - who's power was already drastically weakened by wars and supply shortages - were unable to maintain their grip on the city. Ikko-Ikki sympathizers riled the crowds and captured the city, declaring their allegiance to the Republic. On the other side of the republic, Noto province had a much similar fate. However.. the Noto peninsular on the north side of Japan had recently been captured by the Takeda. As one can imagine, Takeda Shingen was not at all pleased by this. In the interests of diplomatic relationship, he requested Noto to be returned. For the first time since the death of Sadayu, there was complete agreement between Jutsurai and Shonyo. Noto was the property of the Ikko Republic.

    Shonyo could not justify turning his back upon people who believed in the Ikko as strongly as these people did, they had been forced to rise up and take action, much as he and the rest of the Ikko-Ikki had done. Not out of a desire to conquer, but out of necessity. Jutsurai was in agreement, but for different reasons. He believed that bowing to a clan, even an honorable one like the Takeda, would be seen as a weakness...

    Shingen responded quickly if the Republic would not return what lands were rightly his, he'd take them back by force.In the summer of 1561 he launched a campaign into Noto. Local Ikko forces were smashed and routed with little difficulty and the province was quickly re-secured by the Takeda Clan. Shingen was pressing his advantage on Kaga, the very heart of the Ikko Republic. Perhaps both parties were indeed reluctant, but war had come anyway.

    The Shogun's two most powerful threats were about to have the biggest war the Sengoku had ever seen...

    The Battle of Komatsu
    September 1561
    Belligerents: Ikko Republic vs Takeda Clan
    Commanders: Hajikano Yukiie vs Takeda Shingen

    Kaga province was directly to the south-west of Noto, and was one of the original homes to the Ikko-Ikki rebellion, home to the fanatical Kanazawa sect of the Ikko-Ikki, it had provided some of the finest warriors who had ever served in the Republic's wars. Takeda Shingen was determined to end the war against the Ikko as quickly as possible. In fact, after he had captured Noto he had sent peace envoys to the capital at Echizen. It was no surprised that after seeing their brethren subjugated and slaughtered that the administration was in no mood to talk.


    An early snowfall in Kaga had made the march particularly difficult for the Takeda force, which was a well balanced mix of archers, ashigaru and samurai. Near the small town of Komatsu, Shingen had hoped to secure a campsite and perhaps wait out the weather until a clearer day. However, his scouting forces found the town nearly empty. No one in sight, not even the smallest child or the stray bark of a dog. As his cavalry branched out, screening through the nearby forest, they soon discovered why.




    A huge Ikko-Ikki force was waiting in the dense woods, and as the Takeda horseman caught sight of them, they came under concentrated archer fire. Word was quickly passed to Shingen, who began to organize his men into battle formation. He had not expected to see the Ikko-Ikko here of all places. He'd counted on them staying closer to Kanazawa. Instead, Hajikano Yukiie, having been promoted after the battle of Toadiji, had snuck his men down from the provincial capital and had meant to catch Shingen in a deadly ambush. The Takeda forces had narrowly escaped a disaster through the use of scouting.

    Shingen assumed direct command of his cavalry divisions and led them into the forest. Through masterful feints, he managed to keep the Ikko-Ikki pinned in place, with Yukiie unable to commit forces one way or another. The Takeda faked charge after charge, paralyzing the Ikko as infantry entered the forest.


    Yukiie pushed forward as Shingen withdrew back to his lines, meeting the charge head..




    The two sides smashed together forcing the Ikko-line off balance within moments of the first action. A gap had opened in the center of the Ikko line, forcing a charge from the reserves. The warrior monks charged into the gap, intent to shut it and stop the takeda. Their ferocity tore into the Takeda center and forced Shingen on his heels. In desperation, he led his cavalry around both flanks, probing for any weakness.


    But weakness was not something an Ikko force displayed. Screaming loud and chanting their great battle cries. They met the dreaded Takeda cavalry in combat, holding their ground despite the legendary charge of said force.


    Near the center a leafless, frozen tree had become the focal point of the worst of the carnage. The finest foot samurai in service to the Takeda clan went toe to toe with the Kanazawa Warrior Monks. Famed for their skill in the bow, the monks were also incredibly dangerous with in close combat. As the Ashigaru struggled near and around them, the very presence of such warriors filled the Ikko-Ikki with pride and inspiration, inspiring greater deeds of heroism.

    Such heroism even brought down the mighty Takeda Shingen. As he withdrew from an engagement and repositioned, an arrow struck his neck, sending the warlord down into the ground unceremoniously. Yet even his loss did not deter the enemy enough to end the fight. Baba Yasutane, one of Shingen's most trusted generals, took up the mantle of his fallen daimyo and continued to press the attack.



    The Ikko-Ikki were being pushed backward. The flanks were giving way, and the center - which until that point had been anchored by the ferocious warrior monks, was thinning. Without reinforcements Yukiie knew he couldn't hold, the Takeda had simply brought too many samurai for his forces to counter... that is where reality must give way to folklore, for no reports survive to add proof to this story. According to legend, the leader of the Ikko Monks approached Yukiie and demanded that he withdraw his forces. The warrior monks were holding the center, and could hold it long enough for the Ikko-Ikki to withdraw safely.


    Did Yukiie recieve "permission" to withdraw? Was he demanded to? The fact remains that he did, leaving the warrior monks alone in the center against the entire Takeda Force. He withdrew as many men as he could just as the flanks collapsed and disappeared deeper into the forest, escaping into the country-side with the survivors and leaving the rest of the holy men of Kanazawa to die. Takeda clan battlefield reports from Kaga tell a freightening tale, that even completely surrounded the monks refused to give up, refused to surrender, and made the Takeda pay for every man they slew with ten of their own. It is likely a heavy exaggeration...


    The battle of Komatsu ended just a little after 4:00 pm local time, but thousands of men lay dead by its end, among them the warlord who had united eastern Honshu. Hajikano Yukiie was forced to pull back and so was the interim commander of the Takeda campaign, Baba Yasutane. He returned to Noto Province, forced to wait for reinforcements to press against Kaga again.

    In the aftermath of the battle two immediate things took place. The first would be the spread of the epic Komatsu, popularized by many artists and poems of the time, it tells the story of the brave monks who held the line at the battle, despite all odds, and gave their lives to protect the retreat of the common man. The second: a new man would succeed to power in the Takeda Alliance. A man who was about to embark on a course of action that would unite all of the Republic against him.
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