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ah you had me confused. Elementary school ends at the fifth grade here.
I strongly suspect junior "suffers" from a "parenting problem". Respect for others, especially "authority figures" is learned at home. I'd be curious to know how junior's parents reacted to this incident.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Good teachers have disiplined kids and an easy job.
Bad teachers have brats and their job is a hell.
That's the reality.
As for "you're a cupcake", I have no idea what that even means...
Don't know what it's like in Norway, but the incident described in the OP could just as well happened here in the Neth's.Good teachers have disiplined kids and an easy job.
Bad teachers have brats and their job is a hell.
That's the reality.
As for "you're a cupcake", I have no idea what that even means...
I know quite a few teachers. The good ones don't have disciplined kids, they just know how to deal with disrespectful vermin without making it worse and losing face. The bad ones might know everything about their respective subjects and have the ability to teach it to others who are willing to learn, but aren't able to cope with kids who don't respect them by default.
I expect “junior” as we call him now has a whole different can of issues than just parents given the behaviour he displayed. I still doubt a normal kid would be licking the windows for the nutritional value, let alone walk up to a teacher in a transport of rage just because he was told off for it regardless if the teacher was incompetent or not. Which begets the question: why? Surely a competent teacher would've been able to read the situation before it got way out of hand?
Bingo.
Cry me river. The kid deserved to get slapped upside the head. I went to school with kids like this assclown... while most of the class was trying to learn he would be doing anything disruptive he could think about doing.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
She also is clearly unable to see the appropriate response when someone breaks a norm. And the choice she made is a clear case of child abuse, as that is the name we have for violence when the victim is under 18. Slam her saggy behind to the prison gang bang showers.
Ah, so you're a fan of rape-as-punishment?She also is clearly unable to see the appropriate response when someone breaks a norm. And the choice she made is a clear case of child abuse, as that is the name we have for violence when the victim is under 18. Slam her saggy behind to the prison gang bang showers.
CR
Originally Posted by Ice:
Cry me river. The kid deserved to get slapped upside the head. I went to school with kids like this assclown... while most of the class was trying to learn he would be doing anything disruptive he could think about
doing.
...and just why did he behave like he did? And does his behaviour change the job description of the teacher, which is to enable him to learn stuff?Cry me river. The kid deserved to get slapped upside the head. I went to school with kids like this assclown... while most of the class was trying to learn he would be doing anything disruptive he could think about
doing.
I have a kid like this in my class too. He only attends art and gym classes, the rest of the day he gets alternative education in a small group with two others. That he is unable to cope in a classroom enviroment does not change the schools responsibility to give him an education.
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit:
Ah, so you're a fan of rape-as-punishment?
CR
Of course I am, CRAh, so you're a fan of rape-as-punishment?
CR
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
I have a kid like this in my class too. He only attends art and gym classes, the rest of the day he gets alternative education in a small group with two others. That he is unable to cope in a classroom enviroment does not change the schools responsibility to give him an education.
Haha, most schools simply don't have the funding and teachers here to give students that much attention, classes are often 25-30 people and while this is recognized as a problem, there is often a lack of teachers.I have a kid like this in my class too. He only attends art and gym classes, the rest of the day he gets alternative education in a small group with two others. That he is unable to cope in a classroom enviroment does not change the schools responsibility to give him an education.
Now you blame the teachers for this and want to fire them, that's a great solution because it will likely lead to classes with 35-40 people.
You also sound like you can deal with those children but in reality you don't, another teacher apparently does.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Of course I am, CR
Assuming that you're being sarcastic - where do you draw that line in the post I quoted? One might think the whole quote is sarcasm.Of course I am, CR
And so it appears you are a fan of rape-as-comedy.
CR
I'm a fan of anything-as-comedy.
that student deserves worse than this. If he go to school here, he'll end up half-dead anyway for showing such disrespect
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
This case has two seperate issues. The first is about classroom management, and the second is about responding to deviations from the established norms. And she failed in epic fashion on both counts. The first fail should cost her the job, the second should send her to prison.
She is clearly incapable of establishing and maintaining a working learning enviroment. And when you fail at that, you are an incompetent teacher and should seek employment elsewhere. It only serves to fuel my prejudices that she is an art teacher and started around age 40. That fact didn't raise my eyebrow a single millimeter.
She also is clearly unable to see the appropriate response when someone breaks a norm. And the choice she made is a clear case of child abuse, as that is the name we have for violence when the victim is under 18. Slam her saggy behind to the prison gang bang showers.
Also, Strike, a school shouldn't have a teaching enviroment, it should have a learning enviroment. But I do believe that this hag shares that confusion with you.
A general comment at the end: Verbal abuse is enough to best up a kid? Puh-lease! It should be viewed as constructive criticism to how you go about your job, and through reflection you might learn how to correct your practice so it does not happen again.
Teaching is intertwined with learning. If no teaching is done, no one will learn. If no one is willing to learn no teaching will happen.This case has two seperate issues. The first is about classroom management, and the second is about responding to deviations from the established norms. And she failed in epic fashion on both counts. The first fail should cost her the job, the second should send her to prison.
She is clearly incapable of establishing and maintaining a working learning enviroment. And when you fail at that, you are an incompetent teacher and should seek employment elsewhere. It only serves to fuel my prejudices that she is an art teacher and started around age 40. That fact didn't raise my eyebrow a single millimeter.
She also is clearly unable to see the appropriate response when someone breaks a norm. And the choice she made is a clear case of child abuse, as that is the name we have for violence when the victim is under 18. Slam her saggy behind to the prison gang bang showers.
Also, Strike, a school shouldn't have a teaching enviroment, it should have a learning enviroment. But I do believe that this hag shares that confusion with you.
A general comment at the end: Verbal abuse is enough to best up a kid? Puh-lease! It should be viewed as constructive criticism to how you go about your job, and through reflection you might learn how to correct your practice so it does not happen again.
Child abuse? Bull. She threw one punch becuase he was backing her into a corner
An 18 year old 6'5 120 kilo kid is backing you into a corner and screaming obscenties at you
WHAT LEARNING ENVIROMENT DO YOU CREATE THEN?
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
I'm a fan of anything-as-comedy.
So what was the point of your comment?I'm a fan of anything-as-comedy.
CR
Originally Posted by :
She threw one punch becuase he was backing her into a corner
An 18 year old 6'5 120 kilo kid is backing you into a corner and screaming obscenties at you
But the real question remains: why did it come to this? That matters, or at least that should matter to the teacher and the school. Neither window licking nor transports of rage strike me as particularly normal classroom situations, so what part of the story does the article omit?She threw one punch becuase he was backing her into a corner
An 18 year old 6'5 120 kilo kid is backing you into a corner and screaming obscenties at you
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit:
So what was the point of your comment?
CR
Humour.So what was the point of your comment?
CR
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
...and just why did he behave like he did?
Who knows why he behaved the way he did; stupid friends, bad parenting, tv influence etc, could all be reasons....and just why did he behave like he did?
Originally Posted by :
And does his behaviour change the job description of the teacher, which is to enable him to learn stuff?
Of course not. However, the teacher felt she threatened by an 18 year old male who was much larger than she was and acted appropiately. Like I said, cry me a river the kid deserved it.And does his behaviour change the job description of the teacher, which is to enable him to learn stuff?
Originally Posted by :
I have a kid like this in my class too. He only attends art and gym classes, the rest of the day he gets alternative education in a small group with two others. That he is unable to cope in a classroom enviroment does not change the schools responsibility to give him an education.
I'm not sure what this has to do with a teacher's right to self defense.I have a kid like this in my class too. He only attends art and gym classes, the rest of the day he gets alternative education in a small group with two others. That he is unable to cope in a classroom enviroment does not change the schools responsibility to give him an education.
Cultural difference here.
As a european, my idea of self-defense is "run first, respond in another way only if running is impossible". An american may have a different idea here...
As a european, my idea of self-defense is "run first, respond in another way only if running is impossible". An american may have a different idea here...
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Cultural difference here.
As a european, my idea of self-defense is "run first, respond in another way only if running is impossible". An american may have a different idea here...
Where was she supposed to run to? He backed her into a wall.Cultural difference here.
As a european, my idea of self-defense is "run first, respond in another way only if running is impossible". An american may have a different idea here...
Edit: I should say door after looking at the picture again. She verbally instructed him to stop and he kept advancing on her. If he would have stopped and she would have stepped forward and smashed him in the face, than yeah she would be the one at fault.
The child has no good excuse for his actions, even if somehow "wronged" in the class, absolutely none. The 6 P's are lacking. Proper Parenting Prevents Piss Poor Performance. If the parents initiated this law suit, then they are a large part of Junior's problem.
When backed up into a corner, running might not be so succsfull...
1) Yes, a teacher is there to create a learning environment, the school has to help, classes with up to 30 students don't really help and yes, of course you have to find the reasons for such behavior and as a teacher I'd constantly try to ask myself what I should do better...
that said...
2) The raising of a child is not the responsibility of a school system or it shouldn't be, imo. I'm fed up with parents that don't want to take the responsibility of teaching their kids the values of discipline, respect and overall a positive and loving attitude towards life, their own and that of others... A school/teacher can only do so much when a child learns nothing but destruction at home
that said...
3) an 18 year old is old enough to be responsible for his actions and to calculate what consequences they will have for him. I did a lot of stupid things in school. Who's to blame for that? My teachers? Certainly not, I myself hold the respnsibility for my actions and I do so proudly as it makes me a mature human being.
1) Yes, a teacher is there to create a learning environment, the school has to help, classes with up to 30 students don't really help and yes, of course you have to find the reasons for such behavior and as a teacher I'd constantly try to ask myself what I should do better...
that said...
2) The raising of a child is not the responsibility of a school system or it shouldn't be, imo. I'm fed up with parents that don't want to take the responsibility of teaching their kids the values of discipline, respect and overall a positive and loving attitude towards life, their own and that of others... A school/teacher can only do so much when a child learns nothing but destruction at home
that said...
3) an 18 year old is old enough to be responsible for his actions and to calculate what consequences they will have for him. I did a lot of stupid things in school. Who's to blame for that? My teachers? Certainly not, I myself hold the respnsibility for my actions and I do so proudly as it makes me a mature human being.
An eighteen year old is a legal adult and could have been charged with assault and battery. Actions taken to prevent or minimize the assault/battery would typically be held as self defense, unless you apply the standard of "grievous harm," as the only justification for violence.
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