Mafia X [Concluded]

[[MAFIA] Bugsy]

What do you say to this then?

"Unnecessary bandwagoning, though not inherently scummy, should be avoided."

I am half expecting that my post will provoke that kind of a reaction, but I don't want to just shrug off accusations silently. That's scummy. I prefer to try and reason with people, even if it sometimes seems impossible . Nevertheless, if you want me to try and elaborate on the argument about Johnny and Richie above, please say so and I will

Also, there are 14 nonvoters with roughly 5 hours to go. Shameful.

[[MAFIA] Sonny]

[[MAFIA] Sonny]

(OK, posting worked. This account is behaving very strangely right now.)

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

"Unnecessary bandwagoning, though not inherently scummy, should be avoided."

I am half expecting that my post will provoke that kind of a reaction, but I don't want to just shrug off accusations silently. That's scummy. I prefer to try and reason with people, even if it sometimes seems impossible . Nevertheless, if you want me to try and elaborate on the argument about Johnny and Richie above, please say so and I will

Not at all unncecessary, just applying some pressure and yes, please elaborate

[[MAFIA] Bugsy]

Not at all unncecessary, just applying some pressure and yes, please elaborate

Okay... The way I read Johnny's accusation of me, he first remarks that each of the two killers has his own modus operandi, or way of killing, and describes those. That, I can agree with. From this, he infers that a change in kill methods means that one of the mafia have been caught. I disagree with this; It might be that it's true, but it should not be taken for given. The mafia could (as far as we know) change one of the kill methods without having been reduced. They might even do this to plant distrust against one of us, post-mortem. That's what I'd do.

In the second paragraph, he notes the following voting pattern from the previous day:
Big George (now dead) votes for Claudia
Fingers (now dead) votes for Bugsy/Me
He postulates that the choice of killings have to do with the votes that Big George and Fingers cast on that day. This strikes me as improbable. Ignoring for a moment the obvious "I know because I am not mafia", I would like to say that even if the mafia should choose to leave leads like that (they almost have to, sooner or later), it would be ignorant to pick two people who had voted for you just now and not, say, a couple of phases ago. So that part of the theory is not too hot, in my book.
What rocks my boat, though, is when he goes on (under the assumption that his theory has at least some merit) to say that, due to Claudia's vote on me, it is unlikely that she is scum, because she would not vote for her partner. That is how I read his post. As you can see, that is oxymoronic; Claudia would only be less likely to vote for me were we both mafia, and then the argument "so Claudia is more innocent" is wrong.

Phew, what a wall of text.

That's Johnny's post. He might be misguided, or need to explain himself, or he might be scum, but I don't know how likely that is. What strikes me as odd is that Richie joins in on the vote, even touching upon the oxymoronic part of the argument; "That's not likely" is the best part of this post. right it's not likely, it's a logical impossibility. And then he goes on to vote me for the lack of a better candidate. It might, again, be honest town wanting to build a (weak) case and put pressure, but it could also be an easy way to dish a "secure" vote out.

Claudia's vote is the worst, though. She's third on a bandwagon, and the only thing she says is that Johnny is making sense when he says that she's a mafia. But apparently that doesn't hurt the case on me in her eyes.

I want those three to speak up and defend their votes, soon. Preferably with more than the feeble pressure currently on them. So, apply that pressure, please.

[[MAFIA] Vincent]

Bugsy is making useful contribution to the game by analysis, we're running low on time, so despite this putting me third on a bandwagon, I will vote:Connie. Additionally, I'd appreciate any and all analysis the murdered care to give, now and for the rest of the game, since they're the only confirmed innocents.

[[MAFIA] Bugsy]

I'd appreciate any and all analysis the murdered care to give, now and for the rest of the game, since they're the only confirmed innocents.

Seconded.

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

Alright, satisfies me for now, so I'll unvote: Bugsy, vote: Claudia

To actually pressure her we need another one thought so... Vincent?

Or if not:

Vote Connie
Third on the Bandwagon a mafia is.

I think you meant Claudia. Since Claudia was the third on a bandwagon.

[[MAFIA] Anne]

You guys should forget that whole "third on the wagon" nonsense and vote for Frank.