Mafia X [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

I've received a round extension request due to the fact that it is a long weekend in the US. Anyone else want to chime in? You can PM me if you wish or post it under your regular accounts.

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

Y'all keep forgetting one thing: I know I am town so you can't make me change my vote by pointing at me as a better suspect. I agree that Sonny's still alive because he could be trusted to keep pursuing Vinny who was probably innocent but by naming me as top suspect after Luigi makes me doubt your case on Luigi because I know I'm not scum.

Tony, how did I forget my vote for Anne?? I wasn't even talking about my votes. That's your job if you're town and think I'm scum.

Oh and Richie didn't say it was a trap? What kinda argument is that? I say it was a trap!

[Earthling]

The round absolutely should not be extended, we already have most people's votes except for people who are under suspicion for WoG or lurking and not voting on purpose. (plus Richie who implied he'd be back later to vote anyway).

[[MAFIA] Bruno]

Bruno you should vote for Angelo. Or more specifically, it's an absurdly terrible vote to not vote for one of Angelo or Fat Tony, the lynch today is between Fat Tony and Angelo and voting for a third person who won't get lynched is just saying "Hey, look at me, I'm active but refuse to take a stance or contribute to the town."

Of course you should vote for Angelo on top of that because there's a better chance he's a scum but you've got to at least choose one of the two.

Emilio may be getting WoG'd but in retrospect that's not so bad as that will likely save us a day of fake endings and nonsense no matter what and I'd be happy with that at this point.

I am making a stance! I am convinced that Anne is Mafia and the other guilty one is Luigi.

[[MAFIA] Fat Tony]

Y'all keep forgetting one thing: I know I am town so you can't make me change my vote by pointing at me as a better suspect. I agree that Sonny's still alive because he could be trusted to keep pursuing Vinny who was probably innocent but by naming me as top suspect after Luigi makes me doubt your case on Luigi because I know I'm not scum.

Tony, how did I forget my vote for Anne?? I wasn't even talking about my votes. That's your job if you're town and think I'm scum.

Oh and Richie didn't say it was a trap? What kinda argument is that? I say it was a trap!

Luckily for me there are at least seven people alive who aren't mafia (hopefully eight).

And wouldn't Richie know whether it was a trap or not?

I am making a stance! I am convinced that Anne is Mafia and the other guilty one is Luigi.

If I'm still alive tomorrow I'll vote for Luigi. His flighty and apologetic ways make him second on my scum list. But today the vote is between Angelo and me. Angelo doubts the case on Luigi (hmm, I wonder why...), so if he doesn't get lynched today it's unlikely he or Luigi will get lynched tomorrow.

[TheLastDays]

Bla

[[MAFIA] Emilio]

vote: Angelo. Let´s create a tie, as i like tie´s.

[[MAFIA] Bruno]

Unvote; Vote: Angelo

[White_eyes:D]

vote: Angelo. Let´s create a tie, as i like tie´s.

Ugh 6 posts....This kind of lurking is just painful...can someone please lynch/kill him??

[GeneralHankerchief]

With three requests from the living players for an extension, an extension has been granted. The round will now last until 14:00 US Eastern (GMT-4) tomorrow.

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

Alright unvote, vote: Angelo

Suit yourselves.

I hereby deny all responsibility for this town loss.
Earthling, will you promise me one thing? After I'm dead and the town loses and I'm confirmed innocent, will you please shut the up?!

[[MAFIA] Sonny]

Soooooooooo, the entire case against me consists of repeating what I've done, while talking in a spooky voice?

If you don't much like Angelo's case, you could try replyin to mine. You know, the parts you skipped yesterday.

Top work there.

Oh, and that whole 'trap' thing - Richie, the alleged trap layer, didn't say it was a trap.

Don't matter. Person might lay mafia bait while meanin to, but more often it don't even happen that way. What matters is Richie acted weird, an scumjobs like you like to vote for weird. Cause they sure as can't vote for scummy, can they. An sometimes townies can't tell the difference. You stepped in the pile of dog and your defense is the guy didn't drop it there on purpose? Tough goomba, you still stepped in it.

I'm insulted by the idea that me and Bertha are both mafia - as though we would go out of the way to align our votes when there was no need to. Was I or Bertha in any danger of being lynched those previous times?

Attack the weakest part of the argument. Scum checklist item nummer 5: check! (Angelo is a doof with this bit, no kiddin.)

You say I'm trying to not get attention? I go out of my way to avoid bandwagons, in order to give the town more options, and you say I'm trying to avoid attention? Most of your argument contradicts itself.

"I am such a good townie, why you naggin me?" You'd be more persasive if any of those "options" (minus, MAYBE, the firs vote on Bobby) sounded like you meant it. They didn't. This here case on Angelo is the only time you given a bit of effort all game, an it's when your own scummy hind end is riskin to swing.

I know why Sonny is still alive - the mafia weren't threatened by his dogged pursuit of Vincent, and they knew he'd go after me this round.

That's possible. But I'm bettin not.

[[MAFIA] Luigi]

Vote Angelo

Tell us who your suspects are.

I'd much like to hear more from you, now that Angelo has answered your inquiry. Do speak up, your vote matters this round.

I am making a stance! I am convinced that Anne is Mafia and the other guilty one is Luigi.

Unvote; Vote: Angelo

What's up w/ this dood? You lying now? If you're sure who's mafia, you better continuously stick to them, and try to convince the rest to your cause (esp. since you claimed so publicly). It's the endgame, and there's no longer any leeway to be fancy/sneaky about it. You shouldn't bother getting distracted between a vote between 2 people who you think ain't scum (You don't look upset at all)

You better have a good explanation, why you changed your stance, cause you haven't given any. (and saying you were pressured to change your vote by the 'Chairman' of my personal fan club ain't a viable excuse). Better speak up

If I'm still alive tomorrow I'll vote for Luigi. His flighty and apologetic ways make him second on my scum list. But today the vote is between Angelo and me. Angelo doubts the case on Luigi (hmm, I wonder why...), so if he doesn't get lynched today it's unlikely he or Luigi will get lynched tomorrow.

Ugh, sounds more like a political campaign to me rather than a defense. In the position you're in, I don't think you should be posting who you plan on going after next round like that. It's not helping yourself in your defense. Plus you give the mafia a reason/opening, to kill you, and try to frame another townie, as well (me).

Alright unvote, vote: Angelo

Suit yourselves.

I hereby deny all responsibility for this town loss.
Earthling, will you promise me one thing? After I'm dead and the town loses and I'm confirmed innocent, will you please shut the up?!

Whoa, Angelo, take it easy. Giving up now & helping yourself get lynched ain't helping the town objective, that is if you are who you claim you are. You aren't the runaway candidate,even.
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Vote: Fat Tony
What you claim better not be a hoax, Angelo.

[[MAFIA] Fat Tony]

So I had to vote for Richie because there weren't any scummy choices? Not Anne or Angelo? If I was scum I could've just hidden behind a vote for one of them. You know, like Angelo has been doing all game long.

(Angelo is a doof with this bit, no kiddin.)

Wonder why? All game long he's been following other's leads and not sticking his neck out for himself. If you hadn't targeted me he never would have come after me.

You'd be more persasive if any of those "options" (minus, MAYBE, the firs vote on Bobby) sounded like you meant it. They didn't.

Like I've been saying this whole time, I was trying to put pressure on more people to talk. I can't well do that if I'm some lone vote when there's a bandwagon going on. You've 'led', at times, the town effort, and you certainly never looked to encourage discussion outside of the one lynch target for the day.

As for putting effort into Angelo - of course the stakes are up considerably at the end. The town might have only two lynches left. Making sure we get them right is important.

[[MAFIA] Anne]

Vote: Fat Tony

Tomorrow,

Vote: Bruno

[[MAFIA] Anne]

Don't worry, I still think that you are suspicious.

Vote: Anne

And Romanic, that is a really bad case against me. Try harder next time.

This is a post worth dying for. Ignore the vote, bad as it is. Look at the text. It's not even trying. Not, even, trying.

It just smacks of comfortable scum.

[Earthling]

Not even trying? That's your fluffy non-existent concern to argue about? Whatever happened to your suspicion of Angelo when you kept saying you wanted him lynched if anyone else would bother? You have your chance now after all. Also, Anne, you were ALREADY VOTING for Fat Tony. Is it that you are "trying so hard that you forget your own votes" or really want to ensure a townie lynch here?

It's not Fat Tony's fault he has to vote somebody else to prevent his own lynch, preferable we lose a townie who won't vote for scum anyway than a townie that will if those are the options, and it's really nobody else's fault other than Angelo's that we have to kill through him to get at Luigi. I applaud the townies who are making good judgements even under pressure.

[[MAFIA] Anne]

Not even trying? That's your fluffy non-existent concern to argue about?

I'm sorry.

Whatever happened to your suspicion of Angelo when you kept saying you wanted him lynched if anyone else would bother?

You're right. I totally forgot.

You have your chance now after all.

I'm scared.

Also, Anne, you were ALREADY VOTING for Fat Tony.

Really? I didn't know that.

Is it that you are "trying so hard that you forget your own votes" or really want to ensure a townie lynch here?

Yes, this. This is what I'm doing.

It's not Fat Tony's fault he has to vote somebody else to prevent his own lynch, preferable we lose a townie who won't vote for scum anyway than a townie that will if those are the options, and it's really nobody else's fault other than Angelo's that we have to kill through him to get at Luigi. I applaud the townies who are making good judgements even under pressure.

I applaud you, Earthling.

[Earthling]

It is going to be very frustrating if the GM messing with the time cutoffs, quite possibly at the urging of the Mafia, screws over the town here. I have a feeling Angelo being lynched would have been better than many alternatives we face at this point, even if he's townie it would have removed a townie whose votes are supporting the scum and force different nightkills this next night.

Though with the time we're given people can do something: any townies voting for Fat Tony should unvote him as that's a terrible lynch right now, and vote Luigi or Anne. Then Angelo can go onto one of those wagons to save himself if he wants and if anyone else wants to unvote Angelo now that we'd have better choices.

[[MAFIA] Nick]

Because yesterday I discussed suspects with folks privately and mentioned why I thought Fat Tony was acting scummier than Bertha, and no less than two folks agreed with me. That's why I didn't murder them.

Hey guys I just noticed something that's worth pointing out. Not just for Anne being scummy in the WIFOM way, but because she recognizes very important logic and evidence but simply ignores it entirely in her actions and votes.

assumption: Fat Tony is scum
-people were saying all over the place in private they want are committed to lynching Fat Tony next
-instead of nightkilling these people, Fat Tony murders other townies who were not opposing him in the least while letting active townies lynch him

So... this all makes sense and Fat Tony is scum right? The thing is Anne knows all this, so if it's a mistake it's hard to believe and at the very least she needs to be honest about and reconsider her vote and suspects.

[Earthling]

That's terrible trashy stuff Nick. If Anne or Luigi were scum wouldn't we have seen something like Luigi refusing to vote until he can show up right at the deadlines and join bandwagons, to lynch townies and/or save his partner? Nothing like that ever happened to no guy whose name rhymes with Ngohnny.

And who do you think you are Nick, lurking and barely posting, you don't know anything at this point.

[[MAFIA] Nick]

But it makes sense. Lots of people got killed for being voting threats to the scum. So how come so many of these active "townies" didn't get nightkilled as they are very active and voting, unless they are not all townies?

[Earthling]

Go home Nick. Your lies aren't welcome here. Let's lynch off some more townies and call this one a wrap.

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

That's terrible trashy stuff Nick. If Anne or Luigi were scum wouldn't we have seen something like Luigi refusing to vote until he can show up right at the deadlines and join bandwagons, to lynch townies and/or save his partner? Nothing like that ever happened to no guy whose name rhymes with Ngohnny.

And who do you think you are Nick, lurking and barely posting, you don't know anything at this point.

Are you even listening to yourself? Up until now you claimed Luigi is scum and you suspected Anne too. Now someone else comes along and agrees and you smack 'em for it? So who is scum? You seem to be sure it's not Fat Tony, Bertha or Bruno. I know I ain't. Now you said it's not Luigi or Anne. Sonny and Richie?

Also, I slept over things, I'm not going out silent, after all the General's orders were to make this memorable, right?

unvote

Give me a few moments to wake up.

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

First of all: Sorry for not looking up Earthling's Mafia handle and answering to this "interesting" way of explaining his case.

Well I have given this some thought and I've come up with a question:

Why am I still alive? Seriously, I have wagoned all game, following other's leads and while I wasn't overly succesdul with it, that's the type of play the Mafia has to fear. Tony, pressuring others beside the bandwagon is a good thing but in the end it comes down to a wagon and the Mafia fears the almighty wagon... So, even if I don't analyze correctly myself, my playstyle is a danger to the Mafia, more than the playstyle of some of the deceased.
I also had none, zero, suspicion before last round where Anne tried to get me lynched but failed miserably so there was no indication that I would be great lynchbait.

Yet, I'm still alive and kicking, no Mafia has shown up to ruin my house or send a radio controlled to kill me. I know I'm town and so do they, so why am I still alive?

Maybe because I'm set on the wron targets, maybe because I made it clear that I was going to vote Fat Tony and then Bertha. Wait? Did I make it clear? Did I even talk about them last day? No, I didn't, on purpose, because I didn't want to influence who's killed at night. But hey, I talked to someone, in private, talking about these suspicions.

vote: Anne

No one expects the Angel's reversal...

[[MAFIA] Anne]

unvote, vote: Anne

And I won't be on this computer at any point between now and the end of the round, another 11-hour shift tomorrow.

I'm quite happy to take my leave. Happy scumhunting, everyone.


Basically, because I find the mafia's performance far more entertaining, and I can't point fingers effectively when I have folks constantly saying how poor every decision but their own is, and how mafia I am, and how terrible everyone is at the game, and don't allow for their being wrong ever.

So, I'm just not gonna bother. You have 6 folks remaining next round, which is barely enough time to get it right without WOGs.




Before I say good-bye, I want to announce that I love Sonny. The only beautiful one here.

Adieu.

[[MAFIA] Bruno]

vote: Anne

No one expects the Angel's reversal...

Finally!!

Unvote; Vote: Anne

[[MAFIA] Richie]

Fat Tony it wasn't a trap. I just wanted something to happen and that something happened to be that something.
What Anne is doing breaks my heart. She treated me gently in this game as she always does so I will return the favour.

Vote: Fat Tony

[[MAFIA] Anne]

unvote.......


vote: Anne

Off to work. See ya!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.