Mafia X [Concluded]

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

Some did, but what difference does that make for the endgame? My vote's dangerous on it's own on the last day

[Romanic]

I'm not sure, Romanic. Why did he leave me alive then? I've voted him numerous times and have stated that I wanted him lynched...

I've already made several arguments showing that it could be Fat Tony. Even if he didn't kill you, after you voted twice for him, it doesn't disprove my case. Are you expecting him to have killed all people who voted for him at some point in the game? Are you expecting him to leave even more clues that he is the remaining mafia by killing the three players who voted him during the tie?

I'm curious to hear what you have on Emilio to beat Renata's case and mine. Is it only because he was inactive?

Don't you think a mafia would be more active than missing the three first votes and be a WOG candidate on Day 6:

It is now Day 6! Voting will last for approximately 24 hours.

WOG Warning: Emilio, Frank, Luciano. PMs are going out now. I no longer have replacement players lined up either.

Vote: Frank. Thank you for the reminder. I will try to get more involved in this game from now on.

And Day 8:

WOG Warning: Emilio.

vote: Anne.I am really trying to keep up with the game.

Looks Town to me. Looks like someone who doesn't have much time to play mafia. Risking two WOGs, that's ballsy, and whether he's Crazed Rabbit or Kagemusha, I would expect them to be more active in a GH game, unless yes, they don't have much time to be active.

Personally, I think Emilio's behavior doesn't look fake, unlike Fat Tony.

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

Thing is, not being active because he doesn't have time doesn't clear him of suspicion. The RNG that decides who's Mafia won't factor in future activity and the time a player has to play so he could well be Mafia and genuinely not have much time to play. Then of course they'd factor that into their strategy. Sure it's ballsy to flirt with a WoG but then again they know that GH would probably hesitate before Wogging scum and they still got the warning.

[Kagemusha]

lol

[[MAFIA] Emilio]

Ok. I will speak. As i have said before. I have had next to no time to play this one. Angelo, your self vote and then flipping to me, stink´s to high heaven as scum. Unvote and vote: Angelo

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

No, my friend, it's you

[Visor]

It's actually Fat Tony. Now switch to him.

Knew it. @ Kage

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah, the activities of this round only make it more and more obvious to me that it is likely Fat Tony.

Slipped into my scumdar, and quickly slipped out, it seems. Should have expected as much from The Crazed Rabbit, the most undetectable mafioso of all time.

Really good play, this game, if true. Darn you, wabbit. Darn you and your fat fatness.

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

Ok. I will speak. As i have said before. I have had next to no time to play this one. Angelo, your self vote and then flipping to me, stink´s to high heaven as scum. Unvote and vote: Angelo

This looks scummy to me... I don't buy that he really believes I'm scum, especially not with that much of a conviction. No, he needed to stir things up because he was losing

[Askthepizzaguy]

That would be true even if he's townie, though. His better chance of winning is voting for anyone who is voting for him, because if he's townie, he can't win with the other townie voting for him anyway.

I have seen Kage drop his activity levels from being busy before, and I haven't seen him resort to outright hiding to avoid detection as mafia. At least, from HIM, it would be a new strategy.

I also don't think I want to admit that Kagemusha actually avoided my Kage-catching net for once. It's bad for my mojo. Pizza needs Emilio to be innocent, or the shame will be great.

Look at Fat Tony's vote on Emilio "kill the lurker". Does that really sound like he's caring about who dies on this, the final round? Romanic and Renata have a very good case. You and I both thought Fat Tony was scum several rounds back, and we couldn't tell for sure if Bertha or Fat Tony were scummier. Are you absolutely sure about this one, TheLastAngelo?

[Visor]

Kill Fat Tony. Please. Imma begging you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't make me start singing "I can't fight this lynching anymore". Because I will.

[Visor]

At least I can't really be blamed for the loss (If we lose). :P

Nor the win, if we win either. :P

[Askthepizzaguy]

You do realize, of course, if it is Fat Tony, then I unvoted the mafia scum and helped him lynch me to save himself from what would have been certain death, and argued on this round that he was innocent based on reasoning that was immediately and correctly pointed out to be nonsense.

I feel like if he wins, he should thank me for being his really witless ally.

[Visor]

I'm just waiting for the sun to fall. And have been since Night 1. :(

When I'm scum, I'm only going to kill lurkers....

[Renata]

You do realize, of course, if it is Fat Tony, then I unvoted the mafia scum and helped him lynch me to save himself from what would have been certain death, and argued on this round that he was innocent based on reasoning that was immediately and correctly pointed out to be nonsense.

I feel like if he wins, he should thank me for being his really witless ally.

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

I'm still waiting for Pizza to sing :D

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm still waiting for Pizza to sing :D

Once again, Dedicated to my friend, Fat Tony.

I cant fight this lynching any longer
And yet Im still afraid to let go
What started out as suspicion, has grown stronger
I only wish I had the votes to make it not so

I tell myself that I can hold out forever
I said there is no reason for my fear
Cause I feel so secure when we vote together
You give my life direction
You make everything so clear

And even as I'm dying
Im putting up a fight
There's still a bit of a window
of time to stop this fright
But Im getting closer than I ever thought I might

And I cant fight this lynching anymore
Ive forgotten what I started fighting for
Its time to bring this ship into the shore
And throw away the oars, forever

Cause I cant fight this lynching anymore
Ive forgotten what I started fighting for
And if I have to crawl upon the floor
Come crashing through your door
Baby, I cant fight this lynching anymore

My life has been such a whirlwind since that tie-breaker
Ive been arguing in circles in the thread
And it always seems that you're out to get me, town zombies
Cause you take me to the gallows that alone I'd never reach

And even as I'm dyin', revenge is on the minds
of every dead townie that I have killed at night
And it's getting closer than I ever thought it might

But I cant fight this lynching anymore
Ive forgotten what I started fighting for
Its time to bring this ship into the shore
And throw away the oars, forever

Cause I cant fight this lynching anymore
Ive forgotten what I started fighting for
And if I have to crawl upon the floor
Come crushing through your door
Fat Tony cant fight this lynching anymore.

[Renata]

If Fat Tony's going to vote for the lurker without even the decency of a formal "me too" on the last day after goign Luigi-or-Angelo, gotta be Luigi-or-Angelo over and over for teh last several days (and Angelo sitting right there in front of him ripe for the voting), then he deserves to die.

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

Alright... because Emilio and I like ties :D

unvote, vote: Fat Tony

[[MAFIA] Fat Tony]

If Fat Tony's going to vote for the lurker without even the decency of a formal "me too" on the last day after goign Luigi-or-Angelo, gotta be Luigi-or-Angelo over and over for teh last several days (and Angelo sitting right there in front of him ripe for the voting), then he deserves to die.

I don't quite understand that.

Anyway, Angelo's self vote caused me to reexamine the thread. I am now sure who the mafia is; Angelo.

He's piggy-backed on other people the whole game. Even now, after the townie chorus has decided I'm guilty (after declaring for several days I'm innocent, even after my biggest opponents where whacked, so clearly who can trust them?) he vote for Emilio, just because that's who's easiest to lynch. For days he's hunted me, and now he abandons that?

Wait. As I was writing this he changes his vote to me. Could he be scummier?

If I, poor ole differently-weighted-Tony, was mafia, would I really have left just Angelo and Emilio alive? Of course not. The game would have been in the bag if I kept Bruno and Angelo alive (and if you want to see why, check out the killing choices at the end of the only GH Mafia game not won by Kage). And even if I did do that, would I have made such a poor post as my vote for Emilio?

Instead we have this ridiculous theory that I'm mafia.

If Bertha was my partner I could have easily switched yesterday's vote and convinced another person to do likewise. Renata/Sonny's case on me has always been a mistaken activation of her scum-radar that she just won't let go.

I think most of you just want me lynched because the prospect of me, who's been close to being lynched a couple times, winning as mafia is worse for your sense of dignity than Angelo winning.

Even now Angelo switches votes willy-nilly. Clearly he's watching the thread and ready to switch votes as necessary to confuse the town and kill anyone besides himself.

Seriously folks. Try and tell me how I would have left Angelo and Emilio alive if I were mafia.

At the end of this round ATPG will be proven wrong about me; of that I am completely sure.

unvote, vote: Angelo

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

Ok, all calm down a bit. If I was scum I had this game in the bag numerous times today.

I had it in the bag when you both voted each other and with just a decent vote for one of you I could have sealed the bag and carried the win home. Instead I played this silly self vote game.

Even then I had it in the bag when I voted Emilio and could have sealed it by just remaining silent. Yea, right, I changed my vote while you were writing this. It took you about twenty minutes to write that ? Instead I changed my vote to you and what happens? Tony stops eatin' for a moment and lets out some half baken idea about me being scum when that doesn't make any sense at all after my actions today.

No, in fact my "willy-nilly" vote juggling has finally reaped the results I needed to decide. Thanks for your attention, gentlemen, Emilio, vote Fat Tony!

[Renata]

Obviously, since he's called you a townie at least once as well as calling you mafia today. I think you just made a funny.

Why should you be alive, Fat Tony? Yesterday half the players were calling you an obvious innocent based on ATPG's vote analysis. Angelo might leave you alive, granted (since picking up an earlier case is easier than creating one out of whole cloth), but he'd have to be nuts to keep Emilio around as the other option given that both of you voted him in the past, and recently.

(Possible caveat: if ALL of Luigi, Bruno, Emilio and Fat Tony have voted Angelo recently, this doesn't mean anything. Can anyone check?)

Emilio has no motive to leave you alive, yet here you are, and you voted for him first.

What I mean by that comment you picked out is that you've been talking about Luigi being mafia (and if not him, Angelo) and vice versa for the past several days. But you didn't come out and vote Angelo given this golden opportunity of it being teh final day and him still around. You voted for Emilio based on someone else's case.

Do you really want me to give the potential motive for you to keep Angelo alive? It's not hard to imagine, even if it is all WIFOM. But it's WIFOM for everybody.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't quite understand that.

Anyway, Angelo's self vote caused me to reexamine the thread. I am now sure who the mafia is; Angelo.

Because he likes letting anyone who passes by have the ability to switch their votes and lynch him during a tie.

He's piggy-backed on other people the whole game. Even now, after the townie chorus has decided I'm guilty (after declaring for several days I'm innocent, even after my biggest opponents where whacked, so clearly who can trust them?)

Now here's a big steaming pile of cow dung. What are you trying to say? That townies can't change their minds? Certainly not like the way you have whenever it's been expedient to keep you alive? Who can trust the people who have been whacked? How can you argue in a way that just undermines your credibility so badly?

he vote for Emilio, just because that's who's easiest to lynch. For days he's hunted me, and now he abandons that?

So, if people latch onto you and don't let go, like Sonny, they're just mistaken and not letting go, but if they change their minds, they're abandoning? It's interesting that you can paint both behaviors as negative.

Wait. As I was writing this he changes his vote to me. Could he be scummier?

Could you?

If I, poor ole differently-weighted-Tony, was mafia, would I really have left just Angelo and Emilio alive? Of course not.

Not the WIFOM argument....

The game would have been in the bag if I kept Bruno and Angelo alive (and if you want to see why, check out the killing choices at the end of the only GH Mafia game not won by Kage). And even if I did do that, would I have made such a poor post as my vote for Emilio?

Are you arguing that you're not scum because your obviously horrendous and expedient vote for Emilio wasn't scummy because it was too scummy to be scummy?

Instead we have this ridiculous theory that I'm mafia.

Laugh it up, fuzzball.

If Bertha was my partner I could have easily switched yesterday's vote and convinced another person to do likewise. Renata/Sonny's case on me has always been a mistaken activation of her scum-radar that she just won't let go.

So maybe Bertha's not your partner, I can believe that. That's why the whole reasoning for your not being mafia unraveled pretty quickly.

I think most of you just want me lynched because the prospect of me, who's been close to being lynched a couple times, winning as mafia is worse for your sense of dignity than Angelo winning.

That line of reasoning might work for someone who people genuinely loathe to see win as mafia, such as Annethepizzaman, but for Crazed Rabbit, I don't think so.

We've already said it's a game-winning performance and we'd like to punish Kagemusha for his absentee play or intentional lurking, and it would REALLY suck to lose to that guy via lurking. Nobody likes a lurker victory.

I don't buy this argument from you, and the reasoning you think we're using is non-existent. Crazed Rabbit deserves to win games, especially if he's not been lurking and has been killing off all the threats to him and going "who, me?"

No, the reason people want you dead is because they think you're mafia, not because they're afraid of you winning a game as mafia and want to prevent that at any cost, even at the cost of the game. Here you're playing a sympathy card you don't have.

Even now Angelo switches votes willy-nilly. Clearly he's watching the thread and ready to switch votes as necessary to confuse the town and kill anyone besides himself.

He often sits online and posts frequently in games. You, on the other hand, have been so kind as to make several posts and longer posts and more verbose posts that directly respond to people only when you've been under pressure. I've seen you act this way before. You're very happy to watch town destroy itself and vote for townies and let those lynches happen when you're scum, but when you're under pressure, it's time to put on the boxing gloves.

Seriously folks. Try and tell me how I would have left Angelo and Emilio alive if I were mafia.

So you could say "Seriously folks, try and tell me how I would have left Angelo and Emilio alive if I were mafia."

If I were mafia is one of the scummiest things anyone can possibly say.

At the end of this round ATPG will be proven wrong about me; of that I am completely sure.

Why just me, old buddy old pal? Considering I had suspicion on you, but wasn't the first one, and subsequently abandoned my suspicion.... and of course, Renata and Romanic were the ones who were after you, and pressed on you hard, I feel you're not giving credit where credit is due.

I'm not your primary antagonist here. I'm not your first accuser, last accuser, or even a voter anymore. So you're failing to acknowledge that those who are to be "proven wrong" about you are many people who have put more effort into it than I have.

And if in the end I am proven wrong about you, it will be only fitting, given it was you who made me finally and mercifully dead.

I would look forward to sharing a grave with you, but I'm afraid they'll need at least two for your big fat guilty butt.

[Crazed Rabbit]

It's not a case of WIFOM if I could avoided attention altogether today by killing someone else if I was mafia. Which I'm not. Any behavior that paints me as scummy is negative because I'm not scum.

But you know what? I don't have to explain myself to the likes of you. The only people who matter are those who alive by virtue of not being killed, lynched, or lynching themselves . And since angelo is the scum here (would I drop the ball so close to victory with that poor vote on emilio if I were mafia?) that means I just need to convince emilio.

Sweet, sweet emilio. You know what's right. You know that if we just lynch angelo the town will be at peace again. Don't listen to those grumps fooled by angelo and his scummy ways.

CR

[TheLastDays]

He is a rabbit and he's crazy. Who would listen to that? See how he's trying to sweet-talk his way out of this? I am not scum. Choose wisely Emilio.

[Earthling]

Great Scot guys this is a mess.

IT'S EMILIO. Lynch him already.

First, apparently it needs a very clear explanation of why the nightkills make almost no sense for it to be somebody else. If Angelo or Fat Tony were scum they've been paying attention and planning well the whole time so they couldn't be ignorant. The only possibility is that they purposefully chose the wrong nightkills out of sympathy for the town or to try something crazy funny even if they lose.

Bruno was going to lynch Luigi; Luigi was obvious scumbait. Leave those two alive and it would have been basically a guaranteed win lynching Luigi (which is why we should have lynched him long ago). At the same time, there's even less reason to leave Emilio alive no matter what if he's town. Emilio has never given a reason or thought process on anything, so he could well have placed a fairly random vote this last day, terribly dangerous for the scum.

On top of that, Fat Tony doesn't make sense for explaining prior nightkills too. And Angelo as mentioned, could well have been lynched a couple days ago, he was saved by a townie suiciding and purposefully self-voting, there's no way at all a scum could have relied on that and it'd be a huge coincidence.

So Fat Tony and Angelo need to put aside their mutual dislike (another reason to doubt either of them are scum -why would they keep someone alive they knew kinda hated them?) and lynch Emilio.

The nightkills only make sense for Emilio, who maybe thought he couldn't rely on a Luigi lynch or thought Fat Tony was an easy one today. Angelo or Fat Tony look townie for other reasons why Emilio doesn't, he didn't even get WoG'd. And if it was Angelo or Fat Tony we'd be losing to a mafiaoso giving an amazingly creative performance, who could have had an easier win today anyway, while Emilio is a lurker who did nothing but avoid a WoG and should have died a while ago.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'm crazed, thank you very much. The real mafia is clear to me; angelo and anne. AtPG sacrificed himself so he could cover for angelo at the end.

And I guess emilio is sticking with his choice of Angelo for the lynch.

CR

[Earthling]

There's simply no explanation for the scum not leaving Bruno and Luigi alive taking that they're both town from last night. Join Bruno and lynch Luigi and it's game. Emilio is a wild card far too dangerous if he's town. So the only way he's alive is because he didn't murder himself (and as an outsider/severe lurker didn't think the Luigi situation worked for him or thought the mutual dislike between Angelo/Tony would do it for him).

[TheLastDays]

Someone is making a mistake that will cost them the game...