Crusader Kings [Concluded]

**Jolt** · 06-12-2011, 01:44

Originally Posted by issaikhaan

Mide does not have to be annexed by force. Myself, the remaining dukes, and The Church can surely come to a resolution which avoids needless bloodshed.

I will declare my intention now that I feel Mide rightfully belongs to the Duke of Ulster. I alone declared myself the servant of God, recognizing that all we have is given by Him. Words are cheap, but actions attest to the true mettle of a man. We must remember that, above all, we are to seek unending glory with the Lord. This means that all rulers must exist as righteous examples for their subjects. I have shown myself to be just that. I grant the Duke of Leinster leave on this matter- he had spent much planning such a grand tournament before the matter of a home for the Lord here on our island became problematic. However, the other two dukes have no such excuse. If the Lord decides to grant the county to another, it would comfort me that it would go to Duke Diamondeye.

I agree Duke khaan. According to the law of Jus Uxoris, the Count's daughter cannot rule the lands. As the family has no male member which to inherit the land, it thus becomes without a Lord and master, it is a land without any legal proprietor, thus theoretically becoming Res Nullius and ellegible to be seized by anyone who wants it. It is therefore clear that all Dukes have stakes to claim in the land and only the Holy Church, who has no outstanding interests in the county, with the exception of the protection of the children of God and the prevention of bloodshed between Catholic brothers, can intervene and mediate this dispute, so that we may find a suitable benefactor who is the most legitimate to secure the lands of Mide and its prosperity.

As noone has any legitimate claims over the land of Mide, moreover according to the principle of the Res publica Christiana, which states that the surpreme ruler of every land is His Holiness the Pope, and that all land is merely delegated by God to be governed by his subjects, designated and sanctioned by the Pope, much like the feudal contracts where Kings give their own land to their vassals, the land is under the administration of the Holy Pope, and as I am his representative in this island, I have the authority to decide who will recieve the land; As there also is no way of seeing how good is a Lord to his subjects, this decision can only be made on analyzing the piousness of its ruler and his commitment to God.

**TheLastDays** · 06-12-2011, 07:44

Thy last link needeth fixing...

**Diamondeye** · 06-12-2011, 08:12

I know it is late I concern myself with this situation, but it is because I have been pondering this same question in private. Like the rest of you, I seek a peaceful solution to this problem. If his Grace the Cardinal and the honored Duke of Ulster agrees, I would propose the following;

I will ask the daughter of the late Count of Mide for her hand in holy matrimony, that we may be one in God's eyes. I ask of Jolt to approve this, and if it pleases his lord, to take our vows in person, thus bringing them closer to God's eyes on earth, and that much stronger. If the Church - and the Lady - agree to this, then the County shall fall within Leinster borders without bloodshed, and a crisis will have been avoided.

I would like to offer some sort of compromise to the Duke of Ulster in this situation, but I think the matter would be easier solved in private. For now, Duke Khaan, if things go as they should for the sake of peace, I would ask that you stand as my Best Man on this holy union of man and woman, but I would like to discuss these matters in greater detail.

Diamondeye,
Duke of Leinster.

**Kagemusha** · 06-12-2011, 08:35

It is unfortunate that my solution is not something that could have resolved the issue. Connaught is ready to discuss in private about any suggestions the other Dukes and the Church has to deal with this situation. We are listening.

**Skullheadhq** · 06-13-2011, 09:28

Originally Posted by Diamondeye

I know it is late I concern myself with this situation, but it is because I have been pondering this same question in private. Like the rest of you, I seek a peaceful solution to this problem. If his Grace the Cardinal and the honored Duke of Ulster agrees, I would propose the following;

I will ask the daughter of the late Count of Mide for her hand in holy matrimony, that we may be one in God's eyes. I ask of Jolt to approve this, and if it pleases his lord, to take our vows in person, thus bringing them closer to God's eyes on earth, and that much stronger. If the Church - and the Lady - agree to this, then the County shall fall within Leinster borders without bloodshed, and a crisis will have been avoided.

I would like to offer some sort of compromise to the Duke of Ulster in this situation, but I think the matter would be easier solved in private. For now, Duke Khaan, if things go as they should for the sake of peace, I would ask that you stand as my Best Man on this holy union of man and woman, but I would like to discuss these matters in greater detail.

Diamondeye,
Duke of Leinster.

A most excellent proposition! Following this peaceful way I can keep the armies at home, and I think our rivals like them better there then underneath their very city walls...

**Kagemusha** · 06-13-2011, 09:45

If people want to have peaceful solution to this dilemma, some might actually think they should negotiate with the other Dukes. If Ulster and Leinster believe that they have the power to just take Mide without the concent of Connaught and Munster, they should think twice.

**Skullheadhq** · 06-13-2011, 11:52

Originally Posted by Kagemusha

without the concent of Connaught and Munster, they should think twice.

Connaught and Munster speak with one mouth now? Interesting...

**Kagemusha** · 06-13-2011, 12:19

I will not go into biggering with a Leinster vassal over this matter, maybe you should talk with your Duke before speculating further? It is just very disturbing that Ulster and Leinster seem to dividing lands without consent of other Duke´s.