Crusader Kings [Concluded]

[Skullheadhq]

without the concent of Connaught and Munster, they should think twice.

Connaught and Munster speak with one mouth now? Interesting...

[Kagemusha]

I will not go into biggering with a Leinster vassal over this matter, maybe you should talk with your Duke before speculating further? It is just very disturbing that Ulster and Leinster seem to dividing lands without consent of other Duke´s.

[A_Dane]

Not anymore disturbing, than you proposing a solution which would put a guy favourable to Munster and Connaught in Mide...

[TheLastDays]

This being the reason that our Duke proposed this solution here, openly, before all of the Dukes, seeking their consensus instead of privately trying to settle this affair with the Duke of Munster.

[A_Dane]

I don't follow. Either way you look at it, If Leinster and Ulster agreed to your proposed solution, we'd still have weakened ourselves, and strengthened you.

[TheLastDays]

I don't agree but the matter is not in the content of the proposed solution itself, the problem lies solely in the way that at least the Duke of Leinster seems to be thinking he can decide the matter solely with the Duke of Ulster without consulting the other Dukes of Ireland.

[The Celtic Viking]

If the Duke of Connaught won't, as he puts it, 'go into biggering with a Leinster vassal' - which is entirely reasonable - then I, a mere Munster vassal shall do it instead. Yes, in this particular case, Connacht and Munster did indeed speak with one mouth. What else is to be expected when your Duke, giving an emperor's clothes pretence at seeking a peaceful resolution, tries to make a secret deal with Ulster so he can take the cake all for himself, whilst treating the Dukes of Connaught and Munster as irrelevant chumps?

Your Duke's words are belligerent and their realization in action could only work to feed the fires of war.

[Diamondeye]

If the Duke of Connaught won't, as he puts it, 'go into biggering with a Leinster vassal' - which is entirely reasonable - then I, a mere Munster vassal shall do it instead. Yes, in this particular case, Connacht and Munster did indeed speak with one mouth. What else is to be expected when your Duke, giving an emperor's clothes pretence at seeking a peaceful resolution, tries to make a secret deal with Ulster so he can take the cake all for himself, whilst treating the Dukes of Connaught and Munster as irrelevant chumps?

Your Duke's words are belligerent and their realization in action could only work to feed the fires of war.

Your talents are of more use in a joust that in the art of diplomacy, I fear. I have never intended to belittle any Duke of the land, I merely responded to the Duke of Ulster - and the Bishop - since they were the ones who initially brought up the subject.

I am very much in favor of settling this peacefully, and I would hear your Duke's suggestion as to how this be done if he has one to speak. But unless I am swayed by some argument not without weight, I intend to wed the young Lady of Mide. Surely, none can then deny my right to the County?

Diamondeye,
Duke of Leinster.

[A_Dane]

Our duke has made his mind quite clear, since all land belongs to god, the bishop should settle this. And since the bishop is appareantly part of Ulster, Ulster is the one you want to negotiate with in regards to this issue.
Now, we could try and settle it outside, but that would be an offence to the good Bishop, and hence, to god. If this is to be solved peacefully, we have to recognize the Bishops ruling, as anything else will end in war.

What you're basically asking is, that we should get your consent, to screw you over, which is not gonna happen either way, just like your Dukes outrageous proposal, would never have been accepted either.

There's one last option, which is for everyone to back off, and let Mide be with a local noble, but I doubt that's gonna happen either.

[Kagemusha]

Duke of Connaught stands up looking at the previous speaker,

"If Bishop is part of Ulster.He is no Bishop at all. Church is above Duke´s and even you proposing that Bishop is mere vassal of Ulster is insulting to both the Bishop, Holy Church and Ulster."

Duke of Connaught

[A_Dane]

Ofcourse the Bishop is not a vassal of Ulster, but the land on which he's Cathedral was/is build, is part of Ulsters domain, which naturally means he'll be based in that Duchy.

Besides, you're not really one to talk about insulting his holiness, having offered him nothing, neither gold nor land. I Think my.. unfortunate choice of words can be overlooked compared to that.

[TheLastDays]

Apparently you believe that by paying for His Holiness and offering him land you, the Duchy of Ulster, have aquired the possibility to decide for him, if he has something to decide. How pieous of you...

[Kagemusha]

Edit: Nevermind The Last Days already gave better answer then i could have.

[seireikhaan]

Duke of Connaught stands up looking at the previous speaker,

"If Bishop is part of Ulster.He is no Bishop at all. Church is above Duke´s and even you proposing that Bishop is mere vassal of Ulster is insulting to both the Bishop, Holy Church and Ulster."

Duke of Connaught

The Duke of Connaught should remember his place- alongside the rest of us, in subservience to the Lord. It would be most irresponsible of a Duke to allow his subjects to be excommunicated because of his own impertinence. Now, sir, if you feel you have another proposal to add to mine or Duke Diamondeye's, let us hear it, here in the open.

In the meantime, should an agreement between the Dukes and the Church not arise soon, I suggest that each Duke agree to a pact of protection for the Duchy of Mide. In the event that a duke should attempt to seize the county by force, the pact shall state that the rest of us shall come to its aid. I, naturally, shall sign this county first, but reserve the right of nullification should all the rest of the Dukes determine it unnecessary. Should even one other Duke agree, I shall be bound by oath to protect the Duchy of Mide from aggressors.

[Kagemusha]

To Duke of Ulster,
It is not i who called the Bishop part of your domain.So dont threaten me. In matter of fact i asked for the guidance of the Bishop in this affair and also even proposed that Mide would be given to the Church, but the Bishop did not even answer my letters. My Chancellor has also tried to contact for example Leinster in private in vain. No decent reply of any kind have been give n by them. Same applies with Ulster.

In this light i cant but laugh at your latest proposal.You together with Leinster have made an agreement over the fate of Mide in private and now you want us and Munster to protect your agreement, while we have been left out even from negotiations. While one of you forces marriage to the poor daughter of Mide.I am sorry but do you take us a fool?
In this scheming atmosphere provided by Ulster and Leinster. I Duke of Connaught will offer my hand in marriage to daughter of Mide and promise to protect her lands from anyone trying to take them with force. I am man of peace, but such exploitation Ulster and Leinster are planning cant be tolerated. Thus i am going to protect my dead neighbours integrity by marrying his daughter. Let the Mide daughter decide whom to marry. Is that enough for you gentlemen?