Crusader Kings [Concluded]

**Kagemusha** · 06-21-2011, 00:01

No. My orders were to take Mide and surrender the control of it only to Church representative. Apparently our Bishop were not at Mide, so there was not one to surrender the County to. Apparently Duke of Ulster views that i should have surrendered it to him. This whole episode springs from the fact that open conversation was apparently not in the best interest of Ulster, which i cant but ask why?
I repeat that i offer my sincere thanks to the Ulster Vassal Beskar who´s actions saved the situation from escalating further. Now before my fellow Duke´s start calling me an usurper you should ask yourself why i didnt marry off the lass and take claim to her dead fathers lands?

Simple answer is that i did as i said. I sent troops to pacify Mide. It is not my problem that Ulster forces decided to run back to their lands at the first sight of my men. Now i will repeat my plea for the Duke´s and our Grace the Bishop to publically make judgement who should have Mide.
My personal view is that the girl should go to monastery and our Bishop should rule the land as ecclestial County, for which i already gifted him 30 in gold, so he can build a proper church in there. What say thee?

**johnhughthom** · 06-21-2011, 00:16

All results are out. Let me know if I missed anything or you think there's a mistake.

Phase 4 begins, 48 hours for orders.

**seireikhaan** · 06-21-2011, 00:44

Originally Posted by Kagemusha

No. My orders were to take Mide and surrender the control of it only to Church representative. Apparently our Bishop were not at Mide, so there was not one to surrender the County to. Apparently Duke of Ulster views that i should have surrendered it to him. This whole episode springs from the fact that open conversation was apparently not in the best interest of Ulster, which i cant but ask why?
I repeat that i offer my sincere thanks to the Ulster Vassal Beskar who´s actions saved the situation from escalating further. Now before my fellow Duke´s start calling me an usurper you should ask yourself why i didnt marry off the lass and take claim to her dead fathers lands?

Simple answer is that i did as i said. I sent troops to pacify Mide. It is not my problem that Ulster forces decided to run back to their lands at the first sight of my men. Now i will repeat my plea for the Duke´s and our Grace the Bishop to publically make judgement who should have Mide.
My personal view is that the girl should go to monastery and our Bishop should rule the land as ecclestial County, for which i already gifted him 30 in gold, so he can build a proper church in there. What say thee?

My soldiers were not in Mide for combat. If I had wanted to seize Mide, I would have simply marched over your forces and taken it. I had three hundred more men than your forces, but I decided escalating a conflict this early would not be in anyone's best interests. It was not I who behaved rashly.

If you wish the girl to be sent to the Monastery, you should have sent her to the Bishopric, not taken her as a hostage. You claim you want a group consensus on a legitimate claim for Mide, but you march your forces in to take it, and seize the young girl? At the suggestion of the Duke of Leinster taking Mide, you aggressively called the rest of us conspirators. You must make up your mind, Duke of Connaught. Will you be a compromiser, as you claim, or are you the aggressor your armies have shown you to be?

**Kagemusha** · 06-21-2011, 01:01

Originally Posted by issaikhaan

My soldiers were not in Mide for combat. If I had wanted to seize Mide, I would have simply marched over your forces and taken it. I had three hundred more men than your forces, but I decided escalating a conflict this early would not be in anyone's best interests. It was not I who behaved rashly.

If you wish the girl to be sent to the Monastery, you should have sent her to the Bishopric, not taken her as a hostage. You claim you want a group consensus on a legitimate claim for Mide, but you march your forces in to take it, and seize the young girl? At the suggestion of the Duke of Leinster taking Mide, you aggressively called the rest of us conspirators. You must make up your mind, Duke of Connaught. Will you be a compromiser, as you claim, or are you the aggressor your armies have shown you to be?

Your accusations are hollow Duke of Ulster. Had you informed what you were planning all this would not even happened. So there is no point for you accusing me of faul play when it was my actions that have shown to others that you were the one hiding your cards.
Now i would like to hear what you propose, not empty accusations. My troops were not in Mide to fight yours, but to pacify the county which we did.

The fact is that Mide is pacified and the situation can be resolved the way the Bishop wants it to be resolved. I cant understand why are you so grim about it?

**Jolt** · 06-21-2011, 01:12

OOC: Wait, something's definitely off.

**seireikhaan** · 06-21-2011, 01:13

I am not grim, Duke. I told you to relinquish the province, as it is the Bishop's, not yours. If you do as you claim, and hand control over to the Bishop, there will be no problems. But as of now, you control it illegally, and I would remind you of that fact, so we do not come to more misunderstandings.

**Kagemusha** · 06-21-2011, 01:18

And like i said, Duke.If you were to handle your stratagems more openly we would not get into affairs like this in the first place. Now let us wait what our Bishop says.

**johnhughthom** · 06-21-2011, 01:43

Just to clarify, if two armies are in the same county and I haven't received orders to the contrary, they will treat each other as hostiles, unless they have an official alliance. This is slightly different to how Crusader Kings works on the PC, but is necessary in a multiplayer environment.

**Jolt** · 06-21-2011, 02:03

Nah, I'm pulling out of the game because I cannot agree with how the whole Mide affair has been going, the turn after it was agreed Church was getting it (No warning I needed to invade it), and now my army simply packing up and leaving without even probing or engaging any enemy when I gave no order to retreat, especially when a minor battle or minor skirmish with Connaught if they decided to resist would have been very useful. I very much have to guess on how to proceed and while there is too much freedom in some parts (As to having to invade a province instead of automatically switching sovereignty), on others, you have to get nitpicky on orders and fill out to include every possible scenario or otherwise what you send in the orders is probably not gonna happen. The game had potential though, thus why I had originally decided to play it.
Best of luck to all who will still play.