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    Meleagros gives an approving nod to Bothos Kypriakou, before turning to the Basileos:

    I thank you heartily of considering me worthy of administering the southern reaches of your kingdom and must confess the honor would soothe my ego after the slight misfortunes I suffered in Makedonia. Meleagros laughs. In any case, I am not so much opposed to the idea but I rather believe a nomarchy would have little direct effect. But if it pleases the council and serves your purpose, my Basileos, then I am not the man to refuse dominion over the rich valley of Upper Egypt!

    As for the realignment of Edicts E1.1 and E1.2, I support them, should support be needed again, and I pledge all what remains of my funds towards the construction of additional ships for admiral Naukrates' fleet.


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    Edict E1.1b The Basileus Philadelphos Ptolemaios, and any strategos who so chooses, may spend his own money to build a fleet in order to eliminate the immediate threat that the Seleukid naval supremacy now pose us. If this is done, the recruitment cost will be repaid by the Kingdom as soon as possible; the fleet will be disbanded as soon as the threat is dealt with, though. Proposed by Basileos Philadelphos Ptolemaios and seconded by Meleagros Ptolemaios.

    Edict E1.2b The heir's Royal Army shall be escorted by admiral Naukrates to Kilikia where they shall relieve or reclaim Tarsos from the Seleukids. Proposed by Basileos Philadelphos Ptolemaios and seconded by Meleagros Ptolemaios.

    Edict E1.3 Our spy by the name of Ploutos Salaminios, who is currently to be found in the wooded areas North of Damaskos, be sent North-East into Seleukid territory. Proposed by Alexandros Thraikikos and seconded by Eunostos Kypriakos.

    Edict E1.4 I be allowed to take the whole garrison of Hierosolyma, spare of a unit of toxotai, who will be left to keep the civil order and peace of our good citizens. I will march this army and head for Sidon, where I will obtain any local garrison troops and try to amass between 6 to 8 phalanxes. I will then head North and assist whomever wishes to lead the Royal army that is just outside of Sidon. I could fight beside him though I think it would be best to flank the enemy and take a settlement from him while the Royal army deals with the main forces. Proposed by Alexandros Thraikikos and seconded by Eunostos Kypriakos.

    Edict E1.5 Under a small detachment of the Royal Army of the Heir of around half a dozen units, under the command of myself, will retake the city of Paraitonion and return it to the rule of Basileus. The detachment will then turn and rejoin the Royal Army of the Heir or follow in it's wake if Edict E1.2 passes. Proposed by Bothos Lapethou Kypriakou and seconded by Meleagros Ptolemaios.

    Edict E1.6 I would request a small force of around 4 units of mostly cavalry if possible, otherwise infantry will suit fine, to provide support to any general in need of help. These are trying times, and my men will be able to move freely to strike at weak points, reinforce armies and bolster garrisons, etc. Proposed by Ankhwennefer Philometer, 'the Anchor'.

    Edict E1.7 On the condition that Edict E1.5 passes then the troops that have been left to Bothos Lapethou Kypriakou will become a regular army. Proposed by Bothos Lapethou Kypriakou.

    Law E1.1 The Nomarchy of Upper Egypt must be created with the following provinces: Thebais, Oasis Megale and Triakontaschoinos. City of Diospolis-Megale will become the capital of Nomarchy. Proposed by Eunostos Kypriakos.

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    The E is for Emergency session right? I'm not sure if I'm getting the nomenclature right on this... Also I've added a little 'b' to both edicts E1.1 and E1.2 since they were changed, so as not to confuse people, then again, I might have added some confusion.

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    Leontiskos rises once again.

    "I have ordered construction begun on a unit of Triereis to sink the Seleukid fleet in the Mediterranean. I will bear the cost and upkeep of the fleet, I wouldn't want to deprive any of you of your estates or treasure ships. It should be ready within the year, by the end of next year the seas should be ours, Gods willing."

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    Eunostos turns towards Leontiskos..

    Can I ask how exactly are you going to pay the upkeep of that fleet? As far as I know you don't have any estates or trade ships.

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    Leontiskos looks confused.

    "Hmm, it seems I may have miscalculated, carried a 9 when I was supposed to.... Umm, yeah. Forget that last thing I just said, all my clerks fault. That's what I get for acting all cocky I guess. I'll just go stand over here and recalculate my figures, I might be able to afford a couple of coracles"

    He slips out of the chambers, red faced.

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    Fellow delegates,

    I would like to propose the following bill:
    Edict E1.8: The army currently stationed at Memphis be sent to Greece to assist our allies there against the Makedones. If possible, this force should also be used to seize any weakly guarded Seleuicd dominions in Mikra Asia.

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    My dear Isigonos Kleopatrites, the army you are talking about is the Royal Army of the Heir, and has a number of edicts proposed about it. If yours was to pass it would seem the army would resemble some kind of rambling goat, going from one way to another.

    Bothos now stares at Leontiskos Thraikikos and a small hint of a smile comes upon his face.

    My good friend Leontiskos, I do hope you realise my proposals are for the good of the Kingdom. Unless you would see Alexandria fall to her knees benath the sandals of some upstart Kyrenians then I hold it to be a crucial decision the Council has to take. My second edict merely uses this force to be in permanent defence of the Aegyptian front. If you read the text carefully this command won't be my own, unless our good Basileus decides of course. The troops will only be 'mine' for the short amount of time it will take for me to recapture the city of Paraitonion.

    I'm sure the Kleronomos Basileios wouldn't take kindly to calling his troops your own. I'm also sure my father wouldn't take kindly to being called an islander. I believe Side is in fact on a peninsula.
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    *Hastily running inside the council chamber*

    Excuse me, my king, for being late. My harbor was blocked and camels don't go as fast as they used to go. I wish to propose the following edicts:

    Edict E1.9: : The royal army should be moved to Hierosolymna to prepare an attack on the city of Damaskos, which is on a stratigically important location.

    Edict E1.10: : Acceptance of this administrative division of nomarchies, including the naming in Ancient Greek, the positions will be empty until they need filling:
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    Alexandros squeezed his brother's shoulder and gave him a smile before he stormed off. They had much to talk, but now was not the time. For a moment, the lad found himself thinking of their sister - she was safe here, in his Alexandrian estate. Alexandros had a duty to her as the oldest, after all.

    However his attention was now focused on the newcomer - someone unknown to him personally, though he had heard of his name from somewhere or other...

    "As the present governor of Hierosolymna I would welcome any and all troops sent to the town. However the Royal Army is needed up North to repel the immediate Seleukid threat. Damaskos is well defended and cannot be assaulted without great risk to the army and by proxy - to the whole North-Eastern front. It would be wiser to secure our own positions and then gradually push in the undefended Selekid lands. The riches of the East, Babylon especially, will allow us to raise an appropriately sized force to capture Damaskos."
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    Basileus Philadelphos Ptolemaios raises his eyebrow at Alexandros.

    "I am kind of surprised by your latest words. Lets see here..."

    He waves a scribe to come over and he is given a piece of paper which he quickly scans through. When he finds what he's seeking for, he turns back up towards Alexandros.

    "Ah, yes, Edict E1.4. It was proposed by you, wasn't it? Well, according to it, the Royal Army is supposed to confront the main enemy force in the area, which can only be interpreted as the one currently stationed in Damaskos. Now you're against going after them?

    But Edict E1.4 also states that you would "amass 6 to 8 phalanxes" for yourself, but the only phalanxes available in the area belong to your Basileus' army - my army! Surely you would not have the cheek to try and steal my men from me, so where would you get these phalanxes from, may I ask?"
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    If Meleagros want's the position of Nomarch then he could second the Law I proposed. Actualy, two nobles must second it...

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    When is voting commencing? We are talking while the Seleukids are on our very doorstep! What are we going to do, compose a Corpus Iuris?
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    Voting commences tomorrow I believe.

    I suggest you check the rules of this council, to see how long each session goes on for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoCordis View Post
    Voting commences tomorrow I believe.

    I suggest you check the rules of this council, to see how long each session goes on for.
    Ah yeah, I thought 2 days, 3 days is a little bit long.
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    Basileus Philadelphos Ptolemaios raises his eyebrow at Alexandros.

    "I am kind of surprised by your latest words. Lets see here..."

    He waves a scribe to come over and he is given a piece of paper which he quickly scans through. When he finds what he's seeking for, he turns back up towards Alexandros.

    "Ah, yes, Edict E1.4. It was proposed by you, wasn't it? Well, according to it, the Royal Army is supposed to confront the main enemy force in the area, which can only be interpreted as the one currently stationed in Damaskos. Now you're against going after them?

    But Edict E1.4 also states that you would "amass 6 to 8 phalanxes" for yourself, but the only phalanxes available in the area belong to your Basileus' army - my army! Surely you would not have the cheek to try and steal my men from me, so where would you get these phalanxes from, may I ask?"
    My Basileus. The army near Sidon I proposed to march under your or your sons command, but not to claw at the stone walls of Damaskos, but to relieve Tarsos instead and perhaps meet the army stationed next to Antiocheia. Frankly I see little reason to move the other Royal army that is near Memphis and wait months for them to arrive, instead of using the force that is bordering the Seleukid territories!

    As far as the forces under my command, I proposed, out of courtesy, to move the garrison of Hierosolymna North to Sidon and there combine the two in a force to aid the Royal army in pushing the Seleukids back. Surely you don't think you personally possess the armies that our great kingdom has levied? You are a Basileous of free Greeks who know the taste of democracy, not a god-king of Persia! Best keep that in mind."
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    Alexandros Thraikikos I think you go to far. As the Basileus he is the leader of our Kingdom and he can exercise any right he wants. All troops are under the command of our great Ptolemy and they serve the Kingdom and the Kingdom only. The leader of the Kingdom is the great man you seek to belittle. Best keep that in mind.
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    Philadelphos smiles towards Bothos before turning to Alexandros, his face now turning more disappointed.

    "Who do you think you are, talking to me like that? I am your king! You owe me your loyalty. As the Basileus, the Royal Army is my personal army. I decide where it goes. I decide what it will do. I also decide who will command any regular army in the field. You have no more influence in this than I decide to give you. This is not a democracy, and if you don't like that, then you should get off my land immediately and never return. If you do stay, however, I expect you to apologize and to get with the program.

    As it is, I will not support your Edict. Instead, I shall make a new one:

    Edict E1.11: The Garrison of Hierosolyma and Sidon shall be combined and made into a Regular Army. This army will march down to reclaim Paraitonion, while the Royal Army stays in defence of Syria."

    One more thing needs to be cleared up."

    Philadelphos turns to a scribe standing nearby.

    "You are supposed to hold expert knowledge on the law. Would it be possible, if my son doesn't show up, for me to act in his stead, deciding instead of him who shall control his army? If not, I think I might have to undo my decision and let Leontiskos be the heir again, until such time as my son feels ready to enter the political scene and fulfill his duty."
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    I would ask who would command this regular army, Basileus?
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    "I have not decided that yet. Leontiskos Thraikikos is my first choice, but I expect him to take command over my son's Royal Army. If my son actually shows up and declares this will not be, then he will take command of it. Otherwise, I believe you would be the best choice, comrade.

    If this edict passes, then this would mean that the heir's Royal Army would have to leave less men behind, strengthening our positions everywhere."

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    It is a good proposal. I will leave my edict standing however, on the basis that it will be the will of the council for what choice we make.
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    Eunostos discusses something with one of his scribes and then turns towards the Council..

    My scribe told me that Edicts E1.6, E1.7, E1.8, E1.9, E1.10 and Law E1.1 do not have enough seconds. That means, when the voting starts you can't vote over them.

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    "You are right Basileus, I spoke rashly, the eagerness for battle has made me hotheaded. I took offense in your words, where I though it was implied I would steal troops from your Royal Army, but It appears I was the one who did not understand. But what of the siege of Tarsos?"
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    Leontiskos returns to the chamber.

    "I have checked with my scribes and I can give 1500 gold to start production on a unit on Triereis to combat the Seleukid fleet, the other 4000 would need to be met by the rest of the Council, and we would need to share the upkeep. The 4000 wouldn't necessarily need to be paid this season, we can spread the cost over most of the year. Do I need to propose an edict for us to do this, I am unsure of whether the Basileus' edict 1.11 over-rides the previous fleet related edict. We need to ensure we have enough money pledged before we begin, this would be a very costly venture and running out of money halfway through would be unnaceptable.

    Though I am honoured by your faith in me my Lord, I feel we should give your son time, he has been ill and perhaps he is not ready to participate fully in state affairs. I have no desire to usurp his title, even temporarily, I have enough on my hands teaching my older brother the meaning of respect.

    I'm not sure on any of the edicts, or the law, needing seconds so I will not be seconding them.

    My dear Bothos, I am confused, if you are from Sidon why did your father name you as a Cypriot? Nevertheless, my point still stands, if anybody is to take a detachment to retake Paraitonion it should be me. In no way did I call the army mine, I stated I have held it in readiness for our future Basileus, I wish to hand it over to him. Still, I may have spoken harshly, I would welcome you as second in command in the event Eurgetes is unable to take his command and I lead his army in his stead."

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    Strategos Leontiskos, my family comes from the town of Side, not Sidon, as I have stated. We are Asiatikons, though the family name comes from one generations old, like your own uncles I believe. The edicts shall speak the truth, for it shall decide who commands what and where the Royal Armies shall go I believe.
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    Philadelphos Ptolemaios sighs.

    "You are right, Leontiskos. I've spoken too rashly about my son and in a way he doesn't deserve. Let the record show that I apologize for it. If you do not wish to be the Kleronomos Basileios, even if only to ease the beurocratic process, then I will respect that position. Lets hope that the scribe's silence means that I can hold temporary control over it while my son is incapacitated by his illness."

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    "On the matter of the fleet, you speak wisely. The kingdom is stressed for money so we all need to chip in. This includes me, though I have none to offer immediately. I shall make up for it by putting in extra as soon as my trading investments have paid off. I don't think my Edict E1.11 has any implication on ships or ship building at all, beyond Law 4.3. I, however, will allow the Chancellor to ignore this rule and order the construction of Trieries, so it shouldn't be a problem."

    Philadelphos now turns to Alexandros again.

    "I see. For the sake of being clear, I was not accusing you of planning the theft of any soldier from my army; I was merely enquiring where you planned on getting those 6-8 phalanxes your edict speaks of, when there are no phalanxes in the area to get hold of, save those who belong to me or the enemy. I'd still like to know.

    In regards to the siege of Tarsos, I had thought that my... was it the first or second edited edict? I forget. In whatever the actual number might be, I proposed that the heir's Royal Army would go by ship to relieve that siege. That remains my position even now."
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    "Actually, I think we need an edict for the ships. This way it will be official: it will assure that everyone pays their bit, and if they don't, they will have the law against them. So, as you have already offered the healthy sum of 1500 - an act I assure you that I will remember - there is, as you have stated, 4000 left to pay. There are then 11 others who should pay for it, if we go by those who have spoken in the Council plus my son. This means that each of us will have to pay about 364 mnai each to cover the construction cost. When they are finished, the upkeep will cost us about 142 mnai each, you included. However, I don't think you should have to pay for the upkeep for these ships, at least not for the 8 first seasons. That is the time it would take the upkeep to level out your initial investment; during this time, the rest of us will pay 155 mnai for it. So, here it is:

    Law E1.2: A navy of Trieries shall be constructed in Alexandreia. To this end, Leontiskos Thraikikos will initially pay 1500 mnai for the construction, while the remaining cost of 4000 mnai should be shared equally among the rest of the Council. This money must be paid within the first 6 months after the end of the first emergency council. Once the ships are constructed, every member of the Council will pay an equal share of the upkeep. An exception will be made for Leontiskos Thraikikos, who will pay no upkeep for the first 8 months. The cost of any repairs and/or reinforcements shall also be paid equally by all Council members.

    If my son's illness hinders him from giving his necessary approval to taking money from his coffers, then I shall pay his part until he becomes healthy enough to give his consent again."
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    "I support the Law E1.2 for the construction of more ships. As for the seconding of Law E1.1, I believe it is not necessary. Should the Basileos wish to create a nomarchy, it is my understanding he does not require the consent of the Council to do so. I trust his judgement in this matter."

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    Eunostos raises his eyebrow...

    What is this Permanent Edict you are speaking of?

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    And as far as I know.. Polemarchos(from Rule 2.5) can move any idle unit or army.. This applies to your son's Royal Army as well. If Basileus runs for that office then he is allowed to move that army..

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    Of course I will be leading my army where you or the Council wishes, father. No need to appoint a proxy.

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    "I have not decided that yet. Leontiskos Thraikikos is my first choice, but I expect him to take command over my son's Royal Army. If my son actually shows up and declares this will not be, then he will take command of it. Otherwise, I believe you would be the best choice, comrade.
    If this edict passes, then this would mean that the heir's Royal Army would have to leave less men behind, strengthening our positions everywhere."
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    Eunostos looks towards Euergetes being a bit surprised how the Heir managed to get into the Council chamber so undetected..

    It's good to hear your voice here, Kleronomos Basileios!

    Turning towards Meleagros..


    True, the Basileus can give this position to anyone. However, a Law that gives specific provinces to the Nomarchy could prevent any Nomarch in the future claiming more land than he is allowed. And you know where that leads us? Into the Civil War.

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    "It's good to see that you're healthy and present, my son."

    The Basileus turns towards Eunostos.

    "Apparently I am suffering of the terrible affliction known as incompetent servants. 'Permanent Edict' is the old word for 'Law', the one we had before the reformation which you might be too young in this Council to know about. My servants apparently didn't change the word in my papers, so I used the old word instead of the new. I've now had the scribes correct it for me, so the same mistake shouldn't happen twice."

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