I hate Philosophy.

[Subotan]

I find that philosophy can be interesting if its a discussion. But writing a paper on Kant's views is very tedious and borderline boring, IMO.

Stuff like that really depends on the philosopher. Nietzsche and Marx, to pick two completely unrelated examples, are both much more interesting to read. E.g.:

O my brothers! With whom lies the greatest danger to the whole human future? Is it not with the good and just?-
-As those who say and feel in their hearts: "We already know what is good and just, we possess it also; woe to those who still seek thereafter!
And whatever harm the wicked may do, the harm of the good is the harmfulest harm!
And whatever harm the world-maligners may do, the harm of the good is the harmfulest harm!
O my brothers, into the hearts of the good and just looked some one once on a time, who said: "They are the Pharisees." But people did not understand him.
The good and just themselves were not free to understand him; their spirit was imprisoned in their good conscience. The stupidity of the good is unfathomably wise.
It is the truth, however, that the good must be Pharisees- they have no choice!
The good must crucify him who creates his own virtue! That is the truth!
The second one, however, who discovered their country- the country, heart and soil of the good and just,- it was he who asked: "Whom do they hate most?"
The creator, hate they most, him who breaks the law-tablets and old values, the breaker,- him they call the law-breaker.
For the good- they cannot create; they are always the beginning of the end:-
-They crucify him who writes new values on new law-tablets, they sacrifice to themselves the future- they crucify the whole human future!
The good- they have always been the beginning of the end.-

And

The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it. The ruling ideas are nothing more than the ideal expression of the dominant material relationships, the dominant material relationships grasped as ideas; hence of the relationships which make the one class the ruling one, therefore, the ideas of its dominance. The individuals composing the ruling class possess among other things consciousness, and therefore think. Insofar, therefore, as they rule as a class and determine the extent and compass of an epoch, it is self-evident that they do this in its whole range, hence among other things rule also as thinkers, as producers of ideas, and regulate the production and distribution of the ideas of their age: thus their ideas are the ruling ideas of the epoch.

HNNNNNNNNGGG

[phonicsmonkey]

It is true that some people do not value abstract thought for its own sake and consequently find the exercise boring because they cannot see a practical application in it.

As a philosophy graduate myself I would argue that the very practice of philosophy trains the brain to think in a critical and sceptical manner which is extremely valuable in life including the modern workplace.

What is also very valuable is developing the skill of argument.

Not just ranting on about your point of view but taking other points of view into consideration, synthesising them with your own and being able to communicate persuasively to win people over to your side. Influence, to put it another way. Something that, again, is extremely valuable in the modern corporate environment.

But to those who would reject these benefits I would put the case that philosophy spawns other disciplines.

For example what started as philosophy became physics once more is known. In fact all of the sciences were once part of philosophy.

So it can hardly be dismissed as useless.

[The Stranger]

synthesising them with your own and being able to communicate persuasively to win people over to your side.

plato would slap you flat in the face and call you a sophist.

[Fragony]

plato would slap you flat in the face and call you a sophist.

Sophists are also philosophers; best argument always wins not the most moral one. See there we have it PLATO SAYS but he is an authority in wut for wut

[The Stranger]

Sophists are also philosophers; best argument always wins not the most moral one. See there we have it PLATO SAYS but he is an authority in wut for wut

and again you prove you dont understand it and are here only to mock and drive home your point. i guess you wouldnt know a joke if it was dancing infront of you with a fool's hat on his head!

every philosopher knows plato was the biggest sophist of all and i think you do too.

btw philosophy isnt about winning arguments its about understanding. ofcourse you can use that understanding to win arguments... but you can also use a pen to kill a man...

[Fragony]

and again you prove you dont understand it and are here only to mock and drive home your point. i guess you wouldnt know a joke if it was dancing infront of you with a fool's hat on his head!

every philosopher knows plato was the biggest sophist of all and i think you do too.

btw philosophy isnt about winning arguments its about understanding. ofcourse you can use that understanding to win arguments... but you can also use a pen to kill a man...

ehm k, so sophism isn't about the best argument despite morality, plato would slap you in the face, sophism is what he protested

[naut]

You should take philosophy more seriously. I travel the world learning all forms of philosophical teachings and conundrums (except for Jedi Mind Tricks, I am not yet powerful enough to master those), all the while lifting heavy and taking my multi. It has led me to many great places and more tang than any Earthly man could ever possibly need. For example, when I was in Turkmenistan I was taught a very deep lesson by a humble shepherd: "A man who spends too long in the shadows gets mugged." I carry this motto with me to this very day. If you lift heavy, take your multi, and learn the ways of philosophy, maybe, Warman, you too can become an alpha dog able to psychoanalyse a person by a sentence, seduce a woman with a stare and predict an approaching menstrual cycle from the slightest whiff.

[The Stranger]

ehm k, so sophism isn't about the best argument despite morality, plato would slap you in the face, sophism is what he protested

yes yes you get it!!!

[phonicsmonkey]

plato would slap you flat in the face and call you a sophist.