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    Default Nokia N9 - Meego 1.2 Harmattan Linux Phone announced

    as an owner of an n900, who loves KDE/QT software, i must confess to being a little moist!

    importantly, even the nokia hating engadget is impressed:

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/21/n...irst-hands-on/

    I want one, yesterday.
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    Default Re: Nokia N9 - Meego 1.2 Harmattan Linux Phone announced

    Meego looks quite good and I'm a bit surprised why Nokia switched over to WP7.

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    Default Re: Nokia N9 - Meego 1.2 Harmattan Linux Phone announced

    It is widely believed that there can only be three mainstream smartphone ecosystems, in addition to niche platforms such as RIM, and with Android and Apple IOS occupying two of those positions the race to be the third depends massively on the perception of momentum.

    Nokia want to be (a part of) that third platform and they didn’t have confidence that MeeGo could take them there.

    But even if adopting Win7 mobile for smartphones was a ‘necessary’ choice for Nokia, what does it mean for open platforms like Meego whose competitive advantage is enhanced by its cross-platform development environment?

    On the surface it looks pretty bad:

    1. MeeGo is no longer a smartphone platform, it has now become a smartphone ‘project’ which will limit itself a single 2011 release before morphing into R&D for future concepts. What this means is that stage 5 of 5 will probably not attract much commercial developer interest, nor see investment in services expected of a tier one device.

    2. QT will not be offered as a development platform for Nokia Win7 phones, that will be in the hands of Microsoft, effectively killing Nokia’s ambition to see QT as the premier mobile development platform. What this means is that as far as Nokia is concerned QT has very little utility as a strategic asset and so investment will plummet.

    3. Microsoft Marketplace will replace Ovi-Store as the store for applications on Nokia Win7 devices, and this is unlikely to be made available to MeeGo devices. This may not matter quite as much as it initially appears however as an entirely separate app-store ecosystem has grown up around Nokia/MeeGo in the form of Project Bretzn.

    This is in no way a desirable outcome as far as this blog is concerned, for there is no dream of a mainstream open platform any longer, but perhaps it will survive as a niche platform?

    Nokia currently spends nearly three times as much on R&D as its peers. So when we see that investment by Nokia will decline by a third, and investment in MeeGo will be squeezed to less than half of what it was, perhaps we need a little perspective.

    MeeGo alone will probably see an annual investment of circa $200 million. If we likewise contrast that to the circa $800 million to be invested in “Windows Phone” then we can guess that “MeeGo” phones will attract as much as one fifth of the investment that Nokia will put into “Mobile Phones – Platforms” as well as “Services” which amounts to circa $350 million per year. That said, $350 million would be the upper ceiling given that MeeGo is now a ‘project’ rather than a platform, so lets halve that figure and call it $175 million a year in platforms and services.

    So, in a like-for-like comparison with competitors, a total investment of around $400 million dollars a year doesn’t appear too desperate, provided one understands that it is being kept as a niche platform and not promoted as a mainstream competitor to Android and Apples IOS.

    It should also be noted that Nokia show Win7 as replacing the Symbian platform which occupies the mid-to-high end of the companies offering, a total that represents less than 60% of Nokia’s projected future sales.

    Nokia were quite happy to show the death of Symbian in graphic format, the same would be true for Meego, but they didn't, and i am reasonably sure we'll more meego phones in future.

    good write up from gsmarena here:

    http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9-review-610p2.php
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    Default Re: Nokia N9 - Meego 1.2 Harmattan Linux Phone announced

    From what I have read Stephen Elop has stated that the N9 will be the only Nokia Meego phone. The N950 is for developers only and will have no support or warranty. So it seems like it's dead.

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    Default Re: Nokia N9 - Meego 1.2 Harmattan Linux Phone announced

    Quote Originally Posted by CBR View Post
    From what I have read Stephen Elop has stated that the N9 will be the only Nokia Meego phone. The N950 is for developers only and will have no support or warranty. So it seems like it's dead.
    he said there is no going back, noki a has made its choice on WP7 for its shot at one of the big three ecosystems.

    that doesn't mean that there wont be more meego phones.
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    Nokia want to be (a part of) that third platform and they didn’t have confidence that MeeGo could take them there.
    More specifically Nokia wants two things:
    (1) Independence
    (2) Margins.

    They're an Apple like shop in the sense that they primarily sell hardware, and the software is an also-ran which is needed to get the former to play out. Elop & co decided that they could sacrifice long term security (1) in a ploy to go for bunch of features quick by licensing WP7 instead of building it themselves. That may or may not be a smart decision, carriers will love it (because they want there to be at least 3 and preferably more competing platforms leaving them more leverage) but at least he got a cool $1bn up front investment.

    2. QT will not be offered as a development platform for Nokia Win7 phones, that will be in the hands of Microsoft, effectively killing Nokia’s ambition to see QT as the premier mobile development platform. What this means is that as far as Nokia is concerned QT has very little utility as a strategic asset and so investment will plummet.
    Qt was part of getting features quick before Nokia went desperate. Qt support biz has been sold off to some other Finns. In the short term, Qt the mobile platform isn't going anywhere. Running a full Android stack requires quite a bit of oomph that many embedded devices simply don't have -- if all you need is a GUI for basic device control then Qt offers you a ready made toolkit to get going. Plus (ports of) Qt run on Android (and Windows Mobile), too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios View Post

    Qt was part of getting features quick before Nokia went desperate. Qt support biz has been sold off to some other Finns. In the short term, Qt the mobile platform isn't going anywhere. Running a full Android stack requires quite a bit of oomph that many embedded devices simply don't have -- if all you need is a GUI for basic device control then Qt offers you a ready made toolkit to get going. Plus (ports of) Qt run on Android (and Windows Mobile), too.
    QT's commercial licencing business for third parties has been outsourced, for companies such as skype etc, which was never a core business for Nokia.

    looks like QT is going on S40, as well as meego and symbian.
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