[SS 6.4] Clash of Gods! OOC - winners Silver Shield, LooseCannon1 and Mithridate

[Myth]

Moors are up!

[LooseCannon1]

Leon-Castile is up

[Ashurnasirpal II]

Crusaders!

[SilverShield]

kwarz
http://depositfiles.com/files/9w7s453ke

[ArcturUs]

Venice up
http://depositfiles.com/files/rw6enfpkn

[Nightbringer]

turks!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9183

[LooseCannon1]

Just want to let people know that Visorslash is on his holiday now. He didn't mention a return date so the Admin or if some else on our team has his password (and objectives) they need to be ready to sub this turn.

[Nightbringer]

Seljuks up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9573

[CROPrasec]

Just a question about that "unlimited men on battlefield". What is that and how to do that?! (i didnt noticed it before)

France up
CoG-10-France.rar

[slysnake]

England is up CoG-10-England.sav

[LooseCannon1]

Just a question about that "unlimited men on battlefield". What is that and how to do that?! (i didnt noticed it before)

France up
CoG-10-France.rar

It requires changing a line in the cfg file. But SS6.4 does that automatically.

I just noticed that SS6.4 's cfg does not have spaces before & after the = sign. My kingdoms and KGCM files have the spaces. Do the spaces matter? Or is that a typo in SS6.4?

[Myth]

Don't worry it's on by default in SS. I just wanted to popularize this rule in the Throne Room since I first signaled Monkey that without enabling this one gets essentially a free Night Fighter ability when leading battles (somehow M2TW never seems to think your PC is good enough)

Anyway, Moors up! I see that Jihading army is about to take the target. This means that first blood (in terms of points) will go to the Muslim side. Please let me know each time a target city falls so I can keep track of the score. Also let me know when you pass the religion conversion thresholds.

[LooseCannon1]

Leon up And now I've got three copies to delete from the folder. Everytime I tried to copy the link the uploader downloaded the file back to me.

[Mithridate]

This is ridiculous, every single units rooster is out (part from a total of 3 levy archers) all the way from my westernmost regions to beyond Crusader lands and the very end of turkey...

The Byzantines are finally gone, we are coming for you venice!

But it will be too late, and the kwaz have been of absolutely no use the whole game ( no offence, if theres someone to offend )
Moors stood alone against the might of europe -.-'

i call unfair :D

France

[Myth]

Yes, as both an admin and a rival player I'm dismayed because of the turbulence the Muslim side has had with finding players. Due to the K-Shah changing hands so many times they haven't grown or expanded like a "Muslim England" should. It's the lack of one player's clear vision and plan of where he wants to end up 10 turns from the start, really. The K-Shah and the Turks could have killed off the ERE 5 turns ago...

Loose Canon has been a bit pissed off at us because of this game but I don't want to lose him as a player here (or at the .org in general). Choosing the Moors was IMO a bad idea as a gang up on them was pretty much a given. Even without Venice/France, I think England and Leon-Castille could have walked all over them regardless. I'd have chosen the Fatamids instead and with them and the Crusaders Venice would have fallen (AI Sicilly is Fatamid food).

@Mithridate I'm glad to have you step up and play well, @SilverShield is glad to have you as a team member which say something about the kind of player you are. Silver is one of our best, if not the best fought-battles HS player we have. I hope that maybe another strong player, @Vasilefs can come and give the K-Shah a much needed vision and strong leadership.

Remember you still have a Jihad and you can use that. Any settlement that allows you to move next to a target city is fair game, and we have Cordoba now but it's still below 50% Catholic.

If we make a rematch I'll definitely try to refine the rules, especially Crusade/Jihad use and perhaps target city placement. But the #1 reason for Catholic sucess IMO is because we got lucky and have 4 TR regular players who didn't ditch the game. Silver's been a champ all throughout this game, Loose Canon did his best, but the other two factions just got bounced around too much between players..

[Mithridate]

Remember you still have a Jihad and you can use that. Any settlement that allows you to move next to a target city is fair game, and we have Cordoba now but it's still below 50% Catholic.

@Myth (sweet function i love it!)

It will be hard to bunch up all our three factions crusading armies to strike as one especially when you will be able to bunch up and receive us properly ( only hope though imho ). Expect it soon ;) I cant resist mentioning that i suggested to call a jihad to aid the Moors or ease pressure the moment i entered this hotseat^^

If we make a rematch I'll definitely try to refine the rules, especially Crusade/Jihad use and perhaps target city placement. But the #1 reason for Catholic sucess IMO is because we got lucky and have 4 TR regular players who didn't ditch the game. Silver's been a champ all throughout this game, Loose Canon did his best, but the other two factions just got bounced around too much between players..

The turks had a decent position, very spread to pack a concentrated punch though from its spread low level regions when the ERE brought stack after stack after stack of good troops against me. The kwaz should have focused on expanding and pumping the Moors with money, or the crusaders at that. ( I had enough to pump troops, but it was too late from the start imho )

Also, the Kwaz had over a dozen family members hanging out in cities/castles for no reason with no chivalry or admin skills... The armies where spread everywhere and nowhere needed, the capitol was still the original if i remember correctly... A mess to put it plain when i subbed it.

Imho the problem was that the moors had to fight 1v4 Should the Catholics be more spread it would have been very different. Now they all circle him, if you change lets say France to Hungary, where he is further away and Venice put under faster pressure by us (or turned Sicily) It may have been very different.

All in all, Catholics being too dense and Kwaz way too distant is the problem as i see it.

[LooseCannon1]

Myth, don't forget to clear the Kwarzem password for me.

Let me explain for those who haven't seen the discussion over at twc's Valhalla". I'm not upset with the results-I've lost games before. I'm not upset with lead battles-they actually bore me more than anything. The more I use A/R the more I like it, even when results go against me. No, I expected a little more honesty from people here. To me lying is no different from cheating. We had agreed to a ceasefire which included a "no-crusade army" clause. You could have sent all the regular armies you wanted and I would have had no problem with this. But seeing Crusade flags 3 turns into the ceasefire shows you had no intention of HONORING the agreement. Fact is you still could have swamped me. In fact I sent a Pm to Phonicsmonkey in October outlining my mistakes in this game so he could show it later (if he kept it). This is a game based on chivalry so I expected more than a "win at all costs" attitude. Don't call it gamesmanship.


As for the Crusade/jihad mechanism. It's broken in this game and should be banned the next time this Catholics vs Islam is tried. Most jihad targets are now Crusader States controlled cities. There were only 3 last turn not controlled by them. The crusade choices are probably only slightly better.

[Myth]

I've said all I can on the NAP issue. You are right to feel deceived, as was I for example by Visor in the FN game. But you know this isn't actually cheating per the game rules, it's simply diplomacy being a female dog for you in this particular case. However since this is a team vs team game diplomacy has no major part in it to begin with and it is my fault as an admin for not making this more explicitly clear. I think most everyone else understood the basis of it.

[Nightbringer]

This is a game based on chivalry so I expected more than a "win at all costs" attitude. Don't call it gamesmanship.

I think this is where the fundamental misunderstanding lies. I never say this as a game based on chivalry, and I doubt the other players no my team did either. The way we say the situation, you simply offered us a situation that gave us an advantage, of course we took it.

It is essentially the same in my eyes to a situation in which you aren't paying enough attentino while moving your troops, and end the turn with an important army left in a vulnerable position because you didn't notice the enemy troops just nearby.
It is a mistake, but not one I would expect an enemy to not take advantage of.

[Mithridate]

France @slysnake

[slysnake]

England @Myth

http://www.sendspace.com/file/9umtsv

[Myth]

Turn 3 of holding Cordoba +5 points

Total Catholic points 25/100

Moors up. @LooseCannon1

[LooseCannon1]

@Thanatos Eclipse Leon up

[Thanatos Eclipse]

@SilverShield you're up, pm sent too so you get your email :)

CoG-Crusaders-T24.rar

[Mithridate]

France

[slysnake]

England! @Myth

http://www.sendspace.com/file/94p6qd

[Mithridate]

France

@slysnake

[slysnake]

England! @Myth

http://www.sendspace.com/file/hlae7k

[Myth]

Someone will have to sub me.

[Nightbringer]

I'm taking it. :)

@Thanatos Eclipse
leon up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...d=205&id=10049