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[Arjos]

About the off topic, I've read that non-professional units will have 0 upkeep in towns thanks to the garrison slots, so no need to increase the upkeep I think...

[FinnishedBarbarian]

About the off topic, I've read that non-professional units will have 0 upkeep in towns thanks to the garrison slots, so no need to increase the upkeep I think...

yes I am aware of the free upkeep in towns say for klerochoi phalangitai, but I proposed the raising of upkeep for non- professionals because levying 1000 famers could in longterm become as expensive as fielding professionals whose only output to a nation is their fighting skills. Losing those farmers could cause great economic losses and starvation whereas losing some nobles would mean re-distribution of their lands.

[Arjos]

mmmm I don't know, farmers were simply available for limited time, while professionals all-round...

[FinnishedBarbarian]

mmmm I don't know, farmers were simply available for limited time, while professionals all-round...

Exatly the use of farmers whole year would have caused serious financial difficulties, there is a reason why certain seasons were more campaign friendly. I have only thrown a suggestion which implamention depents on moddability of campaign AI if It can't be made to garrison it's troops when they are not used to conquer then the feature can't be implamented.

[Ichon]

What were the professional units of the barbarians doing when not fighting? Professional as a specialization that only was concerned with war would be such a small amount. Most of the nobles would still have lands to control and other work to be done even if they aren't out in the fields.

Even Rome had full time professional soldiers rather late- I don't know what barbarian kingdoms ever had large numbers of such a thing. Even then Roman soldiers were active in building things quite a long time when not fighting and policing region as well.

[Horatius Flaccus]

yes I am aware of the free upkeep in towns say for klerochoi phalangitai

Apparently that info is outdated (according to Bobbin).

[FinnishedBarbarian]

Apparently that info is outdated (according to Bobbin).

Before I continue with this subject (in a proper thread) I would ask did the Bobbin's statement reveal has the "garrisoned units free upkeep" feature been completely abandoned?

[Ca Putt]

What were the professional units of the barbarians doing when not fighting? Professional as a specialization that only was concerned with war would be such a small amount. Most of the nobles would still have lands to control and other work to be done even if they aren't out in the fields.

according to Tacitus these "professional" warriors just lingered around most of the time.

the point about all militia/farmer/Kleucheroi units is that they have a sillily high upkeep (higher than regulars) but get relived from it when "working at home"

When did bobbin say that?

[Foot]

bobbin, in a statement elsewhere, was referring to the statement that there would be an auto-disbandment feature in EBII. He did not mention free upkeep.

Foot

[Horatius Flaccus]

bobbin, in a statement elsewhere, was referring to the statement that there would be an auto-disbandment feature in EBII. He did not mention free upkeep.

Foot

He was replying to someone who quoted this from one of the first 'Steles':

In EB2 we are planning on using the Pezhetairoi as the backbone infantry for the Seleukids & Ptolemaioi, representing them as the “pikemen on field duty”. The Klerouchikoi Phalangitai will still be around and probably almost identical in stats, just slightly worse. The Klerouchikoi Phalangitai will be used to represent reserve pikemen, who unless in time of emergency are back home on their farms tilling their lands. In game terms this means that they will cost about as much as Pezhetairoi to recruit and will be free upkeep as long as they are in cities. This again to represent that they are tilling their land allotments, but should an enemy approach they will quickly arm themselves.

He replied:

No, that was the initial plan a long time ago, things have moved along since then.

So he didn't say that free upkeep was out, just that things have changed.

[ziegenpeter]

according to Tacitus these "professional" warriors just lingered around most of the time.

and you believe that?

[Ca Putt]

If I did I'd say:

In the Germanic society warriors did not have to farm or be in any way usefull for society when there was no raiding going on. The rest of the Community had to feed them

which why I did not say that ;)

[bobbin]

Before I continue with this subject (in a proper thread) I would ask did the Bobbin's statement reveal has the "garrisoned units free upkeep" feature been completely abandoned?

I wouldn't say it has been definitely abandoned, just that we are not sure whether we will use it and what we will use it for.