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    I tried looking at this subject a couple of years ago but was unable to come up with anything definitive. This looks a lot more like it.

    http://www.ecwsa.org/English_Civil_W...n_Colonies.pdf

    Whilst clashes between Marylanders and Virginians in the 1630s had
    been about local rivalries what made the ‘Battle of Blanck Point’ significant
    was not that it was the first armed clash between Englishmen in America but
    resulting from events in England rather than in the colonies. Unfortunately,
    the significance was not lost on the local Powhatan Indians who witnessed
    this clash between English ships. 16 Armed with the knowledge that across
    the Atlantic the English were at war with themselves, Pocahontas’ uncle
    sachem Opchanacanough launched a pre-emptive strike against the Virginia
    colonists on 18 April 1644 killing between 300-400 settlers.
    Wow, that is an awful lot of folks for the colonies at that time.
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    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

    "The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."

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    66 pages was a tad too long for me to read.

    I have little no knowledge about the English civil war in America. It is weird to think that an event which I had hitherto only thought of as a European event, played out in America too. From now on, whenever I think of Cromwell I shall think of Pocahontas.

    What I take away from this thread, is the (re)realisation that America has two long centuries of history as outlying English provinces. The Americas are always older than one would think: Americans can claim Shakespeare and Elisabeth as their compatriots, their fellow Englanders.
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    Most of this is never mentioned in American History or if it is it is in a different context.

    The popular myth is that America was a place of religious tolerance and discussion of this period would be anything but.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    66 pages was a tad too long for me to read.

    I have little no knowledge about the English civil war in America. It is weird to think that an event which I had hitherto only thought of as a European event, played out in America too. From now on, whenever I think of Cromwell I shall think of Pocahontas.

    What I take away from this thread, is the (re)realisation that America has two long centuries of history as outlying English provinces. The Americas are always older than one would think: Americans can claim Shakespeare and Elisabeth as their compatriots, their fellow Englanders.
    Wasn't The Tempest based off of the discovery of Bermuda which happened while a ship was on it's way to Virginia?

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    Well, that's a widely held theory, though some scholars dispute it. Bermuda had already been discovered anyway.
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