Midgardsaga III [Concluded]

[Tratorix]

Oh, if you guys actually lynched Tratorix I would kill all of you. I voted for him, but I didn't want him to die!

Why is it that I can only start bandwagons when I don't want to?

Also, according to Tratorix's role PM, we are an even match. I am guessing that even though Veterans have "higher than average" Holmgang scores, we are still pretty much the lowest or second-lowest level of townie.

Challenge: Tratorix

Let's see what you've got. If you're really a Vet, it'll show.

Challenge: Chaotix Now we've both got even odds of getting the defender bonus.

[Reenk Roink]

I would challenge classical hero but apparently it's dishonorable...

Challenge: Renata You talk too much

[Nightbringer]

I would challenge classical hero but apparently it's dishonorable...

Challenge: Renata You talk too much

that sounds like a horrible reason to try to get some1 killed.

[Renata]

No kidding.

Regards Tratorix and the PM, apparently Sigurd gives the mafia cover roles, including "vanilla" ones. There's no reason to suspect that Tratorix would have needed to gank one from a previous game to save his scummy hind end, even if mafia, when he would have been provided one direct from the source. This is a non-issue. I can't believe I've gotten caught up in the same stupid thing two days (and two games) in a row.

[White_eyes:D]

Challenge: Nightbringer

I have a theory. If right, you and Renata are scum buddies...if (most) likely not...you well die a Norsemens death

[Renata]

You challenged Nightbringer because he gave you cause to believe you can defeat him.

[thefluffyone93]

I missed another vote....my bad!
Went to Six Flags today!

And I certainly didn't want to post from my phone....

Will try to be active from now on.

[Nightbringer]

Challenge: Nightbringer

I have a theory. If right, you and Renata are scum buddies...if (most) likely not...you well die a Norsemens death

you should elaborate on this theory.

Renata, thank you for clarifying that, it seems Tratorix is probably innocent. I'm glad I didn't get him lynched then (of course, he still MIGHT be mafia, but my case is null and void)

[White_eyes:D]

You challenged Nightbringer because he gave you cause to believe you can defeat him.

How so?

I wanted to challenge you, but Reenk has first debs....

[B-Wing]

Good grief, a lot has happened since last time I checked in. I've got four questions:

(1) What was so wrong with my vote on classical hero?

(2) Why did 4 or 5 people immediately obey ATPG's whimsical bidding?

(3) Is the following statement true?

...as ties apparently result in no lynch.

(4) Why would there have only been two murders on Night 2 when there were four on Night 1?

EDIT: Also, if a mafia is challenged to holmgang, does that prevent them from performing a night kill as well?

[Tratorix]

Good grief, a lot has happened since last time I checked in. I've got four questions:

(1) What was so wrong with my vote on classical hero?

(2) Why did 4 or 5 people immediately obey ATPG's whimsical bidding?

(3) Is the following statement true?



(4) Why would there have only been two murders on Night 2 when there were four on Night 1?

EDIT: Also, if a mafia is challenged to holmgang, does that prevent them from performing a night kill as well?

1) Good question. Everyone seems to be taking his word that he's powertown, I guess.

2) It happens. ATPG says jump, this forum asks how high. Until the late game, when we usually lynch him to be on the safe side.

3) Yes.

4) My guess is there are some other roles capable of killing, possibly a serial killer and someone else. They may have specific triggers or targets though.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also, Pizza, this:

...is a horrible, horrible reason for voting anyone. I don't think I've seen you use reasoning this bad, ever.

So that means I'm scum right? Vote for me. <-----I'm scummy

[Death is yonder]

The only argument against me was "He's not classical hero", so its pretty much a shot in the dark either way. Vote how you feel you have to, my votes locked in and I'm going out.

Alright, I've been out and this really stood out to me.

I think I'm accurate in saying that classical was not lynched on the basis of him possibly being a power role, some suggesting even that he is Thor, yet didn't Stuka claim explicitly that he was a champion? So someone was lynched who claimed he was a champion to protect someone who was probably a power role? I'm thinking that Tratorix knew this and that he didn't mind, and conveniently overlooked this.

Plus in light of Nightbringer bringing up the role pm thing it does indeed seem like Tratorix needs to go.

The men from Nordmøre gasped as they heard the name being called out.
A well toned warrior stepped out of the Nordmøre retinue and walked with sure steps toward the Hovgod who stood smirking in the circle of men.
They have chosen you as the payment to justice for the murder last night. Blood for blood. Do you have anything you wish to say?
The warrior looked with ice cold eyes over the eager crowds. I am worried about my King. Who will protect him now?

Seems like Stuka was telling the truth, that he was from Nordmore and a champion.

All in all, Tratorix should go.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Good grief, a lot has happened since last time I checked in. I've got four questions:

(1) What was so wrong with my vote on classical hero?

Cat's already out of the bag. He's either Thor, presumably a pro-town God, or he's a scumbag, and we'll have all the evidence that he's a scumbag that we need in short order.

(2) Why did 4 or 5 people immediately obey ATPG's whimsical bidding?

Oh bull droppings. I was simply the talkative one. Ask anyone involved in that whole deal, what went down in private was democratic and I asked for opinions and said I'd do whatever the consensus was. When there wasn't one I urged for my own candidate, but when they pushed for someone else I obliged.

Talking a lot does not make me dictator. I want people to understand this if we're going to work together as a team. I talk, that doesn't mean I'm always the leader and it doesn't mean when people agree with me that I'm controlling them. The result of this round was several people convinced me to lynch Stuka and I didn't really agree with the case. How does that translate to them doing my bidding? Let's get real. Part of this phenomenon is that people willingly feed into it even when its not actually happening. Free your minds, I'm just a dude.

(4) Why would there have only been two murders on Night 2 when there were four on Night 1?

Strictly speaking we do not know, however, there are several plausible theories.


1) Role with every-other-night killing power, or role with multiple powers, one of which is killing.
2) Murderer from N1 was also killed on N1, thus reducing the murders.
3) Vigilante who was inactive
4) Roleblocker or doctor prevented a kill and is keeping mum about it for now (good idea, just don't wait too long. Repeat previous action if roleblocker.)

Probably others.

[White_eyes:D]

Have you figured out number 5 yet, Pizzaguy?

I think it is going to be proven false though. Either way, I should enjoy this.

[Tratorix]

Alright, I've been out and this really stood out to me.

I think I'm accurate in saying that classical was not lynched on the basis of him possibly being a power role, some suggesting even that he is Thor, yet didn't Stuka claim explicitly that he was a champion? So someone was lynched who claimed he was a champion to protect someone who was probably a power role? I'm thinking that Tratorix knew this and that he didn't mind, and conveniently overlooked this.

Plus in light of Nightbringer bringing up the role pm thing it does indeed seem like Tratorix needs to go.



Seems like Stuka was telling the truth, that he was from Nordmore and a champion.

All in all, Tratorix should go.

Yes, I brought up that he claimed champion a few times. The fact that he immediately claimed as soon as someone voted for him made me suspicious. I was wrong about that Honestly, I'm kind of hoping Chaotix will kill me in Holmgang, as that will prove my innocence, get the town off this stupid roadblock and give us a bit more info on how holmgang works, as everyone already knows my score.

[Major Robert Dump]

Wow, bad lynch on Mr. Stuka, I should have been in the thread to defend him but my options are limited being dead. I don't see why claiming is scummy.

He was exactly who he said he was, and he claimed so he could bring the clan together. My vote on day 1 proves this, as does the write up. I strongly suggest you people consider one more time the timing of both my being challenged and Stuka being bandwagoned. There is a king with no bodyguards now, and it's not even the third day yet.

[Chaotix]

Pretty sure we're dealing with a couple of vigilantes. Wouldn't be surprised if classical_hero was one, if he's not mafia.

Keeping a close eye on B-Ray because ATPG's policy of "those who accuse me of mind control are mafia" tends to be uncannily correct. With myself included.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pretty sure we're dealing with a couple of vigilantes. Wouldn't be surprised if classical_hero was one, if he's not mafia.

Keeping a close eye on B-Ray because ATPG's policy of "those who accuse me of mind control are mafia" tends to be uncannily correct. With myself included.

If B_Ray is Jotun, he's not going to be alive much longer. I guarantee it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Have you figured out number 5 yet, Pizzaguy?

My inbox is always open. Come, White_Eyes, we haven't had a nice cooperative chat in a good long time.

Echo the Capo, and toss me a trust bone. Don't tell me who it is, just what it is.

[White_eyes:D]

I can see why a lot of people are not dueling....but COME ON, your making it too easy for the Jotun.

They are just going to kill whoever doesn't duel, which appears to be a pretty good looking strategy....what are the odds of a champion or King being in the current duels?

If I was a King I would be dueling every round to be on the safe side. Jotun may hit them on the odd round but it would not be worth it for the end game.

[Major Robert Dump]

That argument makes no sense

[Askthepizzaguy]

That argument makes no sense

I have a picture of a bunny with a pancake on its head.

[Diamondeye]

Eh, why the bandwagon on me? I'm sorry I was gone, and that i didn't vote this round, but I was gone, doing you know- real-life stuff? I'm sorry, but I'm definitely not trying to fade into the background. No but seriously, why the bandwagon?

So, why the bandwagon? Oh I'm sorry that's your line. Well perhaps you shouldn't have blustered out who you were like that, especially since it turns out you were a Champion... Nordmøra's in a pretty poor state thanks to that reveal... Sigurd, the writeup hints to something the Nordmøra can do? Can someone else (if less skilled than a champion, probably) take on the role of Stuka?

I think it is going to be proven false though. Either way, I should enjoy this.

What is it you enjoy? Not voting?

Either way I want my Challenge Tratorix counted. My vote wasn't counted so obivously I was post-deadline.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why do you ask questions you know the host won't answer?

Are you pretending to be townie and failing miserably with this horrible acting?

[classical_hero]

That is strange...

I posted about one and a half hour before the deadline explaining that I had to be somewhere when the deadline was due.
Anyway, voting closed at 22:00 GMT.
Iit is now 1 and a half hour past the deadline and I can't see any new posts past ATPG's at 20:25 GMT

edit: Woah... even stranger, now my old post is present and a whole new page with posts.
I will tally the votes...

10pm GMT is 6am my time, since I am GMT+8, so that makes the time has ended an hour early. I am going to assume you are Norwegian meaning you are normally only 1 hour in front of GMT, but now you would be 2 hours in front due to DST.

[classical_hero]

I would challenge classical hero but apparently it's dishonorable...

Challenge: Renata You talk too much

Unless you are mad, feel free to challenge me. Fo course I will not be challenging anyone unless i have a good reason to do so and then it would mean risking my life since I would be fighting someone with the odds I have, not a weak human.

[Askthepizzaguy]

He's not mad. He's probably more powerful than all the Jotun put together. If not in sheer strength, then in Reenkosity.

[Major Robert Dump]

So you had a good reason to challenge me? I'd like to hear it, considering Stuka's identity and timing of your challenge.

[GeneralHankerchief]

So that means I'm scum right? Vote for me. <-----I'm scummy

1) I never said that, you're the one that said that. I'm just pointing out something out of character so the greater town can notice it.
2) You have nothing to say about the reasoning itself?