Quote Originally Posted by Arjos View Post
One must consider how heavy the Takeda name was, with a long history backing to the Heian period...
Hideyoshi could move lower classes and petty vassals due to his humble origins, coupled with the fact that the Oda (being simple shugodai) allowed people with merits to raise in ranks...
Exactly my point! Takeda was a famous clan, while Hideyoshi basically forged his from the ground up. Much more like Napolean if you ask me.