US gubmint shutdown + default + subprime sequel?

[PanzerJaeger]

http://www.teapartynationalism.com/t...ilitia-impulse

This was a study about the Tea Party's ties to various nationalistic groups in the U.S.

It's all pretty relevant, including various Tea Party figures inviting anti-semitic and other controversial figures onto radio discussions and to events, but in particular I liked:

"In preparation for Tea Party protests held on July 4, 2009, national socialists and other white supremacists created a discussion thread on Stormfront.org, the largest and most widely accessed of the many white nationalist websites.[216] While highlighting the distinction between themselves and the majority of Tea Partiers who were not self-conscious about their own racism, one person argued, “We need a relevant transitional envelop-pushing flyer for the masses. Take these Tea Party Americans by the hand and help them go from crawling to standing independently and then walking towards racialism.”[217]"

Know what Panzer? If your political party has supporters on Stormfront.org, you're pretty much up a creek defending that the Tea Party doesn't have an overtly racist following. The article also mentions how the discussion preparing for the Tea Party event over at Stormfront expressly included a discussion amongst themselves of leaving the racist symbology at home when they went to the event for PR purposes, lol.

But yeah you know, there's crazies in every group. I'm sure over at Stormfront they have big discussion threads about attending Democratic rallies in support of Democratic candidates. Right?

Really, a 'report' by an NAACP front group littered with demonstrably false claims? You can do a lot better than that.

And since when does StormFront get to dictate who's racist and who isn't? I'm a white, Right-wing male that loves the German military. If they identify me as a potential convert to radical white nationalism, does that make me a radical white nationalist?

Also since it didn't get past the cranium last time, I already said the right routinely accuses the left of being anti-American at all times, just as a normal, usual part of their rhetoric. So again, and for the third time actually, I fail to see what point you believe you are making. You're saying you can "leap to some conclusion" now that is routinely used in utterly normal every-cycle part of right wing rhetoric about the left.

No, I am saying that, based on your reasoning, I can leap to those conclusions because I found pictures on the internet that reinforce them. That is the standard you've established.

Yes. You cannot ask for objective proof of the thoughts of a group of people.

Oh, but you can. There are plenty of people who are overtly racist and don't mind saying as much, like KKK members. When they are not, however, I think the burden of proof is a bit higher than a few pictures on the internet if they are to be labeled racist. That's a powerful word, and it needs some strong backing - not 100% objective proof, but more than has currently been demonstrated. Kind of like:

a legion of youtube videos and remarks made by those in government who call themselves tea party members/supporters.

This is where I'm having trouble. You and Koga have repeatedly referred to the 'large number', 'huge quantity', 'countless examples', and 'legions' of pictures, videos, and now remarks that are out there, but I can't seem to find them. There are lots of videos on youtube of people accusing the Tea Party of racism, but very few that actually show Tea Party racism - many of them showing the same six pictures Koga posted earlier. Coincidence?

I don't need white America pledges, white America platforms, or white-only rules (which are present in every major KKK branch), but I do need something beyond what has been shown so far, especially considering that this is the same Tea Party that supported dozens of black GOP candidates in 2010, rabidly supports Allen West and Tim Scott, and makes up Herman Cain's base.

Are we to assume that these people's racism is so secret that they are willing to vote for black candidates to represent them just to throw you guys off? Crazier things have happened, I guess, but these have to be some of the crappiest racists to ever grace the American political scene. If they're going to follow in the proud footsteps of avowed racist giants like George Wallace and David Duke, they're really going to have to step up their game. I mean, really, voting for black candidates? They ought to be ashamed of themselves!

Or maybe, just maybe, a majority of Tea Partiers are more interested in conservative orthodoxy instead of race. Maybe the signage, as mean and hateful as it is, is not representative of the majority.

As mentioned, there is a burden of proof here if you want to apply labels to a group comprising millions of people. It's certainly not 100% objective proof, but it's more than purely anecdotal evidence. The comparison to the Islamic extremist=/=larger muslim sentiment argument surely cannot be lost on you... Do we really want to start defining groups by their most radical and/or fringe elements?