US gubmint shutdown + default + subprime sequel?

[Koga No Goshi]

We gave you proof, signs at almost any large gathering of note. It's not the bearded covered with pins Vietnam vet crazies who just go from one political event to another as lifers who have crazy signs. It's pretty normal everyday people attending Tea Party rallies. There is also any number of statements of vitriol and even exhortations to violence and a whole pool of rhetoric from Tea Party supporters about white slavery and anti-Obama statements that fuse into a miasma of anti-black, anti-african character attacks calling him a Kenyan Muslim and everything else.

And of COURSE the established leadership of the Tea Party as such is going to, at least when cornered on the issue in front of a camera or interview, denounce racism. Their ability to do that is really the only thing that keeps the keel of the Tea Party movement at all microscopically above the moral highground of such lovely groups as the Westboro Baptists.

And all you've got is a burden of scientific evidence excuse for how signs and such can't be taken as any indication of a group's sentiment or as an indication of a motivating factor for at least a good portion of that group-- even if those signs show up rather consistently, enough to create regular media controversy which has to be constantly damage controlled.

At this point it's like Gutmench said, you are plugging your ears and playing rhetoric games. That's all you are doing.

As for "America-hating" on the left and such, that is what the right ROUTINELY accuses the left of all the time, in EVERY political cycle anyway. Bush was 8 years of being called a terrorist-sympathizing America hater anytime you opposed ANYTHING Bush wanted, whether it was invading Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11 or allowing him to wiretap phones and spy on e-mails with a blank check. So I have no idea what you think you are bluffing by saying "well what if we take signs from the left and draw conclusions from it." The political right in America doesn't need signs or care about signs, they say the left is a bunch of anti-American un-American pseudo Americans all the time as a constant, regular part of their rhetoric. Without proof and without substantiation of any kind, just because it's a useful divisive bit of rhetoric.

[PanzerJaeger]

So I have no idea what you think you are bluffing by saying "well what if we take signs from the left and draw conclusions from it." The political right in America doesn't need signs or care about signs, they say the left is a bunch of anti-American un-American pseudo Americans all the time as a constant, regular part of their rhetoric. Without proof and without substantiation of any kind, just because it's a useful divisive bit of rhetoric.

Seriously? That statement is literally dripping with hypocrisy.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Seriously? That statement is literally dripping with hypocrisy.

What is the Fox news equivalent for the left? If you say MSNBC, I would have to say try harder.

[Koga No Goshi]

Seriously? That statement is literally dripping with hypocrisy.

Obama bashing on a line that frequently wanders WELL into purely racially-based cuts on his character is a common trait of the Tea Party. It's what lands them in headlines constantly.

Play all the rhetoric games in your own head that you please, it doesn't change that fact.

If you dislike that portrayal of the Tea Party I propose you take it up with them, rather than spending your time futilely trying to convince people on internet forums with rhetoric circles that they didn't actually hear all that offensive racist rhetoric or see those signs, they were just imagining it.

[PanzerJaeger]

Obama bashing on a line that frequently wanders WELL into purely racially-based cuts on his character is a common trait of the Tea Party. It's what lands them in headlines constantly.

Play all the rhetoric games in your own head that you please, it doesn't change that fact.

And yet I'm playing by your rules.

I'm still waiting for proof that the Left isn't made up of communist, anti-american, jew haters. My random pictures will not be ignored!!1

If you dislike that portrayal of the Tea Party I propose you take it up with them, rather than spending your time futilely trying to convince people on internet forums with rhetoric circles that they didn't actually hear all that offensive racist rhetoric or see those signs, they were just imagining it.

Wait, now you actually heard offensive racist rhetoric. When? Where? This is fascinating.

That is just one website. I can find a bunch of other websites for liberals and tea partyers that say the same thing. Doesn't mean the group as a whole is all about that.

You can find liberal websites that declare America white nation? POST POST POST.

Thank you for just proving my point.

I'm so confused. But it's fun.

[a completely inoffensive name]

You can find liberal websites that declare America white nation? POST POST POST.

Hold on, I am making it right now, which according to your logic will legitimize the KKK.

I'm so confused. But it's fun.

It is confusing when common sense tries to break down partisan mental walls.

[PanzerJaeger]

Hold on, I am making it right now, which according to your logic will legitimize the KKK.

Not at all. It would deligitimize you.

Oh those people definitely exist on the left. But (replacing communist with fascist) exactly the same thing exists on the right. But we're not talking about wide-tent groups that encompass people from every background in all 50 states and being able to dig up a couple crazies out of either of those very wide tents, we're talking about an almost invariably white middle class and up movement of largely older people who frequently have racist rhetoric and signs at their rallies. You seem to keep forgetting that. Or conveniently ignore it.

Or.... or.... you're hopelessly misinformed.

PRINCETON, NJ -- Tea Party supporters skew right politically; but demographically, they are generally representative of the public at large. That's the finding of a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted March 26-28, in which 28% of U.S. adults call themselves supporters of the Tea Party movement.

Tea Party supporters are decidedly Republican and conservative in their leanings. Also, compared with average Americans, supporters are slightly more likely to be male and less likely to be lower-income.

In several other respects, however -- their age, educational background, employment status, and race -- Tea Partiers are quite representative of the public at large.

[Koga No Goshi]

Not at all. It would deligitimize you.



Or.... or.... you're hopelessly misinformed.

PRINCETON, NJ -- Tea Party supporters skew right politically; but demographically, they are generally representative of the public at large. That's the finding of a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted March 26-28, in which 28% of U.S. adults call themselves supporters of the Tea Party movement.

Tea Party supporters are decidedly Republican and conservative in their leanings. Also, compared with average Americans, supporters are slightly more likely to be male and less likely to be lower-income.

In several other respects, however -- their age, educational background, employment status, and race -- Tea Partiers are quite representative of the public at large.

LOL the statistics didn't disprove that the Tea Party are largely well off whites. It proved it.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Not at all. It would deligitimize you.

No, now there is a website that is called liberals.org and it talks about how all of us liberals defend how we need to raise taxes and our right ot medicare and taxes, except for anyone that is not white, because it was whites that founded this country and built the social programs in the first place and it is black, hispanics and asians that are draining it.

So now, there are people from all political backgrounds that are talking about white america. So why are you trying to paint the KKK as something completely defined by the rhetoric that is found in all groups? because there is a KK website that says such things? Well now there are website from the left as well that say the same thing. So really you need to give me evidence that every single one of these KKK members hate blacks otherwise you are misinformed about their true character. Give evidence that all of them hate blacks, show me the tapes of all of them admitting it. Otherwise your defense of the KKK being especially racist in anyway is just faith.

[Koga No Goshi]

And yet I'm playing by your rules.

I'm still waiting for proof that the Left isn't made up of communist, anti-american, jew haters. My random pictures will not be ignored!!1

Oh those people definitely exist on the left. But (replacing communist with fascist) exactly the same thing exists on the right. But we're not talking about wide-tent groups that encompass people from every background in all 50 states and being able to dig up a couple crazies out of either of those very wide tents, we're talking about an almost invariably white middle class and up movement of largely older people who frequently have racist rhetoric and signs at their rallies. You seem to keep forgetting that. Or conveniently ignore it.

I'm sure race has nothing to do with it. The fact that they're white and Obama is black and many of them have signs calling him the Kenyan village idiot and a Muslim is just coincidence.

Wait, now you actually heard offensive racist rhetoric. When? Where? This is fascinating.



You can find liberal websites that declare America white nation? POST POST POST.



I'm so confused. But it's fun.

It's very clear that you are confused. This is something we can agree on.

[Ronin]

I'm still waiting for proof that the Left isn't made up of communist, anti-american, jew haters. My random pictures will not be ignored!!

now I´m curious...which one of your pretty pictures indicates that the american left is anti-american?
from what I saw I would qualify some of those people as anti-government sure.....but that isn´t the same thing.

and btw...are you going for some sort of cognitive-dissonance world record on this thread? if so, good luck man, you can do it!