US gubmint shutdown + default + subprime sequel?

[PanzerJaeger]

Obama bashing on a line that frequently wanders WELL into purely racially-based cuts on his character is a common trait of the Tea Party. It's what lands them in headlines constantly.

Play all the rhetoric games in your own head that you please, it doesn't change that fact.

And yet I'm playing by your rules.

I'm still waiting for proof that the Left isn't made up of communist, anti-american, jew haters. My random pictures will not be ignored!!1

If you dislike that portrayal of the Tea Party I propose you take it up with them, rather than spending your time futilely trying to convince people on internet forums with rhetoric circles that they didn't actually hear all that offensive racist rhetoric or see those signs, they were just imagining it.

Wait, now you actually heard offensive racist rhetoric. When? Where? This is fascinating.

That is just one website. I can find a bunch of other websites for liberals and tea partyers that say the same thing. Doesn't mean the group as a whole is all about that.

You can find liberal websites that declare America white nation? POST POST POST.

Thank you for just proving my point.

I'm so confused. But it's fun.

[a completely inoffensive name]

You can find liberal websites that declare America white nation? POST POST POST.

Hold on, I am making it right now, which according to your logic will legitimize the KKK.

I'm so confused. But it's fun.

It is confusing when common sense tries to break down partisan mental walls.

[PanzerJaeger]

Hold on, I am making it right now, which according to your logic will legitimize the KKK.

Not at all. It would deligitimize you.

Oh those people definitely exist on the left. But (replacing communist with fascist) exactly the same thing exists on the right. But we're not talking about wide-tent groups that encompass people from every background in all 50 states and being able to dig up a couple crazies out of either of those very wide tents, we're talking about an almost invariably white middle class and up movement of largely older people who frequently have racist rhetoric and signs at their rallies. You seem to keep forgetting that. Or conveniently ignore it.

Or.... or.... you're hopelessly misinformed.

PRINCETON, NJ -- Tea Party supporters skew right politically; but demographically, they are generally representative of the public at large. That's the finding of a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted March 26-28, in which 28% of U.S. adults call themselves supporters of the Tea Party movement.

Tea Party supporters are decidedly Republican and conservative in their leanings. Also, compared with average Americans, supporters are slightly more likely to be male and less likely to be lower-income.

In several other respects, however -- their age, educational background, employment status, and race -- Tea Partiers are quite representative of the public at large.

[Koga No Goshi]

Not at all. It would deligitimize you.



Or.... or.... you're hopelessly misinformed.

PRINCETON, NJ -- Tea Party supporters skew right politically; but demographically, they are generally representative of the public at large. That's the finding of a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted March 26-28, in which 28% of U.S. adults call themselves supporters of the Tea Party movement.

Tea Party supporters are decidedly Republican and conservative in their leanings. Also, compared with average Americans, supporters are slightly more likely to be male and less likely to be lower-income.

In several other respects, however -- their age, educational background, employment status, and race -- Tea Partiers are quite representative of the public at large.

LOL the statistics didn't disprove that the Tea Party are largely well off whites. It proved it.

[PanzerJaeger]

LOL the statistics didn't disprove that the Tea Party are largely well off whites. It proved it.

The horror! The Tea Party has roughly the same racial breakdown of the nation. How skewed towards minorities must a group's racial makeup be before it can be considered non-racist?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Not at all. It would deligitimize you.

No, now there is a website that is called liberals.org and it talks about how all of us liberals defend how we need to raise taxes and our right ot medicare and taxes, except for anyone that is not white, because it was whites that founded this country and built the social programs in the first place and it is black, hispanics and asians that are draining it.

So now, there are people from all political backgrounds that are talking about white america. So why are you trying to paint the KKK as something completely defined by the rhetoric that is found in all groups? because there is a KK website that says such things? Well now there are website from the left as well that say the same thing. So really you need to give me evidence that every single one of these KKK members hate blacks otherwise you are misinformed about their true character. Give evidence that all of them hate blacks, show me the tapes of all of them admitting it. Otherwise your defense of the KKK being especially racist in anyway is just faith.

[PanzerJaeger]

No, now there is a website that is called liberals.org

No, there isn't. I'll admit it, I copy/pasted. Nonexistent/fake websites don't count. And thus, the fallacy of your KKK comparison stands. :(

[a completely inoffensive name]

No, there isn't. I'll admit it, I copy/pasted. Nonexistent/fake websites don't count. And thus, the fallacy of your KKK comparison stands. :(

GoDaddy is being slow in uploading it.

But seriously, you have now admitted that my KKK comparison is apt if I had actually made the website. So you are now admitting that your logic is flawed because it is absurd to come to the logical conclusion that the KKK isn't a racist organization.

[PanzerJaeger]

GoDaddy is being slow in uploading it.

But seriously, you have now admitted that my KKK comparison is apt if I had actually made the website. So you are now admitting that your logic is flawed because it is absurd to come to the logical conclusion that the KKK isn't a racist organization.

No, I didn't - because it would have been fake.

Just to be clear as it is late and I'm generally stupid, are you arguing that under my logic the KKK can be denied to be racist because I asked for a higher burden of proof than six random pictures that the Tea Party is racist? Is that the road we're going down?

[Ronin]

I´m gonna take this as a lesson and walk away now....

[Koga No Goshi]

http://www.teapartynationalism.com/t...ilitia-impulse

This was a study about the Tea Party's ties to various nationalistic groups in the U.S.

It's all pretty relevant, including various Tea Party figures inviting anti-semitic and other controversial figures onto radio discussions and to events, but in particular I liked:

"In preparation for Tea Party protests held on July 4, 2009, national socialists and other white supremacists created a discussion thread on Stormfront.org, the largest and most widely accessed of the many white nationalist websites.[216] While highlighting the distinction between themselves and the majority of Tea Partiers who were not self-conscious about their own racism, one person argued, “We need a relevant transitional envelop-pushing flyer for the masses. Take these Tea Party Americans by the hand and help them go from crawling to standing independently and then walking towards racialism.”[217]"

Know what Panzer? If your political party has supporters on Stormfront.org, you're pretty much up a creek defending that the Tea Party doesn't have an overtly racist following. The article also mentions how the discussion preparing for the Tea Party event over at Stormfront expressly included a discussion amongst themselves of leaving the racist symbology at home when they went to the event for PR purposes, lol.

But yeah you know, there's crazies in every group. I'm sure over at Stormfront they have big discussion threads about attending Democratic rallies in support of Democratic candidates. Right?



Also since it didn't get past the cranium last time, I already said the right routinely accuses the left of being anti-American at all times, just as a normal, usual part of their rhetoric. So again, and for the third time actually, I fail to see what point you believe you are making. You're saying you can "leap to some conclusion" now that is routinely used in utterly normal every-cycle part of right wing rhetoric about the left. Somehow I have a hard time picturing that during the 8 years of Bush you were running around playing burden of proof games when all the right-wingers were calling us America haters because we opposed the Iraq War or the Patriot Act.

[Koga No Goshi]

And yet I'm playing by your rules.

I'm still waiting for proof that the Left isn't made up of communist, anti-american, jew haters. My random pictures will not be ignored!!1

Oh those people definitely exist on the left. But (replacing communist with fascist) exactly the same thing exists on the right. But we're not talking about wide-tent groups that encompass people from every background in all 50 states and being able to dig up a couple crazies out of either of those very wide tents, we're talking about an almost invariably white middle class and up movement of largely older people who frequently have racist rhetoric and signs at their rallies. You seem to keep forgetting that. Or conveniently ignore it.

I'm sure race has nothing to do with it. The fact that they're white and Obama is black and many of them have signs calling him the Kenyan village idiot and a Muslim is just coincidence.

Wait, now you actually heard offensive racist rhetoric. When? Where? This is fascinating.



You can find liberal websites that declare America white nation? POST POST POST.



I'm so confused. But it's fun.

It's very clear that you are confused. This is something we can agree on.

[Ronin]

I'm still waiting for proof that the Left isn't made up of communist, anti-american, jew haters. My random pictures will not be ignored!!

now I´m curious...which one of your pretty pictures indicates that the american left is anti-american?
from what I saw I would qualify some of those people as anti-government sure.....but that isn´t the same thing.

and btw...are you going for some sort of cognitive-dissonance world record on this thread? if so, good luck man, you can do it!