US gubmint shutdown + default + subprime sequel?

[Koga No Goshi]

We gave you proof, signs at almost any large gathering of note. It's not the bearded covered with pins Vietnam vet crazies who just go from one political event to another as lifers who have crazy signs. It's pretty normal everyday people attending Tea Party rallies. There is also any number of statements of vitriol and even exhortations to violence and a whole pool of rhetoric from Tea Party supporters about white slavery and anti-Obama statements that fuse into a miasma of anti-black, anti-african character attacks calling him a Kenyan Muslim and everything else.

And of COURSE the established leadership of the Tea Party as such is going to, at least when cornered on the issue in front of a camera or interview, denounce racism. Their ability to do that is really the only thing that keeps the keel of the Tea Party movement at all microscopically above the moral highground of such lovely groups as the Westboro Baptists.

And all you've got is a burden of scientific evidence excuse for how signs and such can't be taken as any indication of a group's sentiment or as an indication of a motivating factor for at least a good portion of that group-- even if those signs show up rather consistently, enough to create regular media controversy which has to be constantly damage controlled.

At this point it's like Gutmench said, you are plugging your ears and playing rhetoric games. That's all you are doing.

As for "America-hating" on the left and such, that is what the right ROUTINELY accuses the left of all the time, in EVERY political cycle anyway. Bush was 8 years of being called a terrorist-sympathizing America hater anytime you opposed ANYTHING Bush wanted, whether it was invading Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11 or allowing him to wiretap phones and spy on e-mails with a blank check. So I have no idea what you think you are bluffing by saying "well what if we take signs from the left and draw conclusions from it." The political right in America doesn't need signs or care about signs, they say the left is a bunch of anti-American un-American pseudo Americans all the time as a constant, regular part of their rhetoric. Without proof and without substantiation of any kind, just because it's a useful divisive bit of rhetoric.