US gubmint shutdown + default + subprime sequel?

[ICantSpellDawg]

I'm really impressed with Boehner, he is negotiating really well. He knows that Obama cannot let this default happen, but he is still returning to the table to show him that a deal is possible. I have a feeling that this deal is going to be really good - increased 1+trillion in revenues while lowering tax rates and "simplifying" tax codes plus an additional 3+trillion cut to the debt over 10 years. 4+ plus in debt reduction over 10 years without "raising" taxes. This will most likely happen this week.

Or we could get a forced 44% cut instantly. Either way, this government is going to be slashed mercilessly and funding will be forced to go to necessary functions rather than the fluff. The government should be privatizing services at this point.

When will they understand that nobody owns their own property? We are merely renting from the government under the guise of "taxes". Any privatization would be under a similar agreement. The government still owns everything and controls critical functions through regulation, why not charge people rent instead of running it yourself? Generate revenue, create growth potential... Win,Win

[a completely inoffensive name]

I'm really impressed with Boehner, he is negotiating really well. He knows that Obama cannot let this default happen, but he is still returning to the table to show him that a deal is possible. I have a feeling that this deal is going to be really good - increased 1+trillion in revenues while lowering tax rates and "simplifying" tax codes plus an additional 3+trillion cut to the debt over 10 years. 4+ plus in debt reduction over 10 years without "raising" taxes. This will most likely happen this week.

Or we could get a forced 44% cut instantly. Either way, this government is going to be slashed mercilessly and funding will be forced to go to necessary functions rather than the fluff. The government should be privatizing services at this point.

When will they understand that nobody owns their own property? We are merely renting from the government under the guise of "taxes". Any privatization would be under a similar agreement. The government still owns everything and controls critical functions through regulation, why not charge people rent instead of running it yourself? Generate revenue, create growth potential... Win,Win

Profit does not equal better. There are many systems and services which cannot be properly utilized with a system of competition due to practical reasons. Without competition, no growth can be formed, even if there is lots of profit to be had.

Of course, why am I even bothering to say any of this. You are so off the deep end in thinking that the man who is holding the country hostage to satisfy some ideology is "impressive" and that somehow there is no private property in America anymore. Reality check bro.

[ICantSpellDawg]

What happens when you stop paying property taxes? We're all renters, my friend. How am I off the deep end on this issue? What do you think is going to happen to our country? We are already bankrupt, but other nations have been afraid to call us on it. I'm open to increased taxes generally, especially for salaries over 250k, but I know that the government will just squander it in the form of pay raises for employees and programs which are already paid too much, rather than use it for anything bold or necessary. I recognize that our ability to increase our credit limit is just a way to further compound how screwed we are. It's only a matter of time before we are forced to liquidate. We should not increase our debt limit unless we can get spending under control. It is responsible govenrment to push this to the brink now, while we still have options rather than later, when we inevitably wont. People are just afraid of "brinksmanship", but "politics" has only put us in the poor box.

I'm an extremist in my moderation. Politically I am within the margin of error. I like balance, but balance does not exist here.

[jirisys]

Well; you see my friend; you are taking your army to the forest for an ambush. The problem is not "paying property taxes", but the taxes (or more moderately, the effects themselves). It is a silly concept. To have to pay money for something that is your possession for the only reason that it's in the government lands.

Boehner is just an *******. Why not simply disregard whatever petty republican wishes for this single and only instance. Throw 'em to the craphole for this single and only decision, and solve any problems you have. If he doesn't want high taxes for the rich, then **** him.

Or simply, make a quick referendum on what to do. You will see that it's going to be pretty one-sided.

America doesn't need a filibuster right now.

~Jirisys ()