Six down- four to go to!!: 4 faction slots left

[moonburn]

i forgot the illiryans the aulletes are probably one of the most deserving one´s including their queen teuta and her pirate rable since we can assume the arevaci or a kelto iberian faction will be in i suspect syracuse is a no go but the kwarzhians still seem a very viable and very reliable choice

but assuming the team wishes to surprise us then meroe or a an ethiopian faction make for a pretty darn strong case particulary if what i suspect that the steppes are going to be cleaned out of setlements and there will be alot of level 0 permanent stone forts (making up room for 5-6 new regions)

furthermore the team didn´t released a culture slot for the indians they are represented as persians so if they do the smart thing and join the west and east hellenic cultures into 1 trans hellenic super culture they have the necessary culture slot to put in the ethiopians/sudanese culture

there´s at least 30 deserving people for a culture including 5 others then the lusitanii in iberia 5-6 in gaul the gallo thracians the basternae noricians kwarzhians the mauritanians the other numidian group the garamantines 2-3 arabian tribes including the nabatu or the palmyreans there should also be 2 other steppes group worth mentioning so they have alot to pick from (almost forgot a few other germanic tribes like the chattii)

[Brennus]

Up the Bellovaci!

[amritochates]

Nice map, but Aeduoi and Auernoi will have only one province each, and imo Boioi and Lugoi will have one too...
The Pritanoi will have the central province, but the Isles will have new borders too...

Well the map for EB 2 is still a WIP: the map displayed in my post is a fan-made project that transposes the previewed factions onto the old map. So naturally inconsistencies will be there.

Another option that I had not considered is that the Yuezhi might be brought back; in fact they were in the first public release EB.81 and were only dropped in the later versions- so I would classify them as a strong contender.

[LusitanianWolf]

From EB members on the TWC

Replying to a speculating map

That map is all kinds of wrong

So I gess this is the official (?) one

About the Yuezhi

You have to ask yourself if the Yuezhi existed in 272BC on our campaign map as we won't have emerging factions.

XSamatan

[Kival]

From EB members on the TWC

Replying to a speculating map

So I gess this is the official (?) one

It's still the old map and insofar wrong. The provinces are not complety decided yet.

[Brennus]

With the map being extended eastward to accomodate the Mauryan Satrapy it does raise the possibility of the Yuezhi returning as a faction, however I doubt this as it would require the map to extend as far east as the modern day Xinjiang Province.

[Moros]

Only 3 pixels were added, we didn't accommodate the map east wards because of this faction. We could increase the map about 1.3 times in scale, so we did that. The few pixels that were left were added both in the west and East. It's not that a noticeable change really, the increase of scale however, is.

[Hamata]

Skyracruse is my guess yeah i'm horrible at paint

[Leon the Batavian]

Its "Europa" Barbarorum then my guess is that another N-W European or Spanish faction will be there and not something from the east (no offence). My guess is a Belgian or another Germanic nation is coming up next in the previews.

But to be honest I am happy with every faction the EB have in mind and published so far. They are all great and exciting to me. Would be fun something related to the Batavii being published/mentioned within a Germanic tribe.

[TheLastDays]

Wasn't Syracuse denied already?

[Blxz]

Unfortunately, yes. Such a pity that Syracuse had that long lived ruler and then were pretty much absorbed into Rome afterwards. I suspect that in an alternate history with a more aggressive ruler and more time they could have easily moved out and asserted hegemony of at least the island of Sicily if not an even greater area. Possibly many of the greek cities and towns in the western mediterranean. We will never get the chance to see that.

[polatucos]

Hi
first i really love your work with europa barborum..
well i saw the factions list for this mod,and i have to say that the lusitanians were the ancestors of the portuguese and not spanish as you refer on you faction list..
if you could just take a look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusitanians there.
and yes im portuguese,im not insulting anyone,i also didnt like how the total war franchise treat the portuguese in medieval,and in empire mainly because in that time period (empire) Portugal was a superpower and it wasnt playable in that game ,i dont understan why but there you go..
so i only registered to say that..also viriathus the leader of the lusitanians was born in Viseu a portuguese city not in spain therefore the lusitanians werent spanish..
i say this as a fan of your work and a student of history !
i hope the mooders see this post ,and thank you!

[Berg-i-dum]

Hi
first i really love your work with europa barborum..
well i saw the factions list for this mod,and i have to say that the lusitanians were the ancestors of the portuguese and not spanish as you refer on you faction list..
if you could just take a look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusitanians there.
and yes im portuguese,im not insulting anyone,i also didnt like how the total war franchise treat the portuguese in medieval,and in empire mainly because in that time period (empire) Portugal was a superpower and it wasnt playable in that game ,i dont understan why but there you go..
so i only registered to say that..also viriathus the leader of the lusitanians was born in Viseu a portuguese city not in spain therefore the lusitanians werent spanish..
i say this as a fan of your work and a student of history !
i hope the mooders see this post ,and thank you!

I am sorry to say it but you are wrong in most of your statements.

First of all, if you seriously are studing History, wikipedia is not a recommendable source.

Then as the mod team members already pointed out the Lusitanians also populated several areas of the nowadays Spain (Zamora, Salamanca, Extremadura and even more if as some authors say we can link them with the Vettoni), in fact some sources say that Viriathus could be born in Estrella Mounts (nowadays Zamora, Spain) but really nobody knows where he was actually born, it is all a matter of speculation.

You are mixing nationalism with History, since only the romantic authors of the XIX century and the modern nationalists tried to link the portuguese enthity to the Lusitanians as their proud and independent ancestors; when in fact we could ironically say it would be a wrong stuff, since even in that optic we could say more properly that medieval Portugal -basis of the modern state- was found by gallaecian ancestor tribes (Gallaechians populated north of Durius river where is settled Oporto and Braga, main cities of the first Portuguese entities) and as furthermore independent part of the Kingdom of Galicia and León (being simple: Port of Galaecia = Portucale, Callaeci = Portugal). But anyway this is a modern problem and has nothing to do with history. Lusitanians -whoever they were- actually have few to say to the nowadays portuguese or spanish national States.

Anyway, from your point of view, I don't understand your rage since Lussotanan -that you see as your ancestors- are fully represented in your game as the only faction in Iberia, in a way really good since two of the team members were portuguese, so you could be proud enough and more (and what it is more I never saw in the game that "confusion" you quoted).

When in my honest opinion that I stated in a previous post long time ago and that it was closed, I think they shouldn't be in the mod because of several reasons I pointed out there that I won't explain again, I know it sounds rough but I tried to explain it there. Well, in my theory I think ancient Iberia would be better represented in this mod with two factions, regarded to the indoeuropean and the iberian (pre-indouropean) cultures in the peninsula as the two different Worlds they actually were: in the indoeuropean side I would select a celtiberian one (because of their higher development, panoply, resistence against romans, urbanism, client settlements system, cultural influece and reference for all the indoeuropean Iberia, etc), for example the Arevacii, or better I would vote for a more historically accurate confederacy of Celtiberians (as a previous example of the Khoinon Hellenon in the mod); and finally a Iberian one, here I don't have enough knowledge to say what one, but I would say first Turdetani (recovering inheritances of Tartessos, really high urbanism, warfare and chief states) or the Illergetai-Edetani (quite good oponent for romans and good fortresses, warfare).

Still, you see EB modders and members, as I say there is a nationalism wing in some decissions and here with this Polatucos guy, you have a vivid example of how some people usually know their story, and how some of your members could influence your team to take a wrong decission, in my honest opinion. Decission that after all I respect as player -more in the best mod of Total War of all time-; and even I would ironize: as a galician guy myself that prefer play with Lusitanian close to the gallaechian than the imperialist celtiberians of perfidous Castille-Spain and the Iberians from african ancestors allied with colonizers... just kidding. No, seriously, as historian, I don't agree with the current situation, I am not nationalist as the real nationalist said of me in that thread -pointing out their own faults-, I just tried there to show some historical accuracy and according to the mod mechanism.

PD.
Sorry if I somebody could see this words as somehow disturbing, I don't pretend it, but at this time I thought necessary to enlight some historical and mod facts regarding to this post and that thread, still probably I wrote too much.

It's a long time since I don't read the forum nor play this fantastic mod and I am glad to see the EB2 project is still in works and with good future.

Thanks EB team and keep it high.

[Ludens]

The EB team used a list of criteria to decide which factions to include in EB1. I don't know if these criteria have been changed for EB2, but even if they still are the same, the current faction list isn't the only possible outcome. For example, you could argue that the Sarmatians and the Lusotanians never stood a chance, and should be replaced by Syracuse and the Bosporean Kingdom. It depends on which criteria are considered more important, and a number of practical considerations such how information is available and whether there's someone to do the work.

So it isn't helpful to claim that a disagreement over faction choice must be the result of nationalism. The team may have used other criteria than you have, may have had insufficient information, or it may just have been a practical decision. More importantly, such claims make constructive discussion difficult, since they force it away from the decision to include a faction, and onto the person who made that decision.

So please drop the accusations of nationalism. You are free to argue your case, you are free to think the EB team was wrong, as long as you attack the argument rather than the team members or other posters.

[Ludens]

Hello polatucus, welcome to the .Org and to EB .

I am not sure where it says that the Lusitanians are the ancestors of the Spanish rather than Portuguese. The team knows that most Lusitanian territory is in what is now Portugal; although they had a few bits of Spain as well.

[Tanit]

Hello Polatucus,

Thank you for your support! Like Ludens I am unaware of where the Lusitanians are stated to be the ancestors of Spain. I reviewed our history section and found only a mention that in addition to their location in what is now modern Portugal, they also controlled parts of modern Spain. However, if any mention is made to them being 'Spanish' I can assure you it is only a reference to the peninsula, not to the modern country. For the most part EB prefers to spend its time in the past, so to speak, and to avoid modern politics. We are more concerned with how ancient peoples regarded any individual tribe or nation than with how modern peoples regard them, as the ancient perspective is what we have to deal with in the text, descriptions and more. The ancient Lusitanians were viewed by outsiders as one of the Iberian Peninsula's tribes, and therefore as Iberians. By other tribes they were viewed as original Iberians, having not become mixed with invading Celtic populations or settling Greeks and Phoenicians.

A similar situation arises with the faction of Taksashila and its existence in what is now modern Pakistan, while its ethnicity is considered to be Indian, not a reference to the modern state. In making the game we have to be aware of how other ancient populations viewed the Taksashilans, how strongly they were connected with other Indian populations, and how much they differed from them by integration with immigrant Persian, Hellenic, and Steppe populations. For more details on how Taksashila fit into ancient Indian society and cultural awareness please see our preview of them.

Tanit

[EB rocks]

in my opinion we really need a RUSSIAn nation but what tribes lived up there?

[Brennus]

in my opinion we really need a RUSSIAn nation but what tribes lived up there?

Sarmatians and Scythians across much of southern Russia and Ukraine, some Celts on the Dniepr (of whom we know nearly nothing), Greeks in the Crimea and Uralic tribes in Northern Russia (for whom we have no historical data, only archaeological).

[EB rocks]

sorry i mean a northern faction on the baltic

[Empire*Of*Media]

There will be No Parthia/Pahlavan ?!?!

[BroskiDerpman]

Of course there will be Parthia, what makes you think that there won't?

[Empire*Of*Media]

well it was not in the first page i searched!!
i was surprised too!

so its great to play a faction to an empire in EB II !!