Well done England

[gaelic cowboy]

IThat why Japan saw such a technological rise, and the West turned itself into a cheap workshop that not two decades later discovered it would never be as cheap as emerging countries.

Wrong Japan raised it's tech profile through using Western methods and practices these were chiefly developed by the USA during WW2 to service the war economy.

After the war the West (in reality the US alone) just rested on it's laurels and allowed Japan catch up by not implementing correctly the very wartime ideas it had developed.

Lean manufacturing sometimes called the Toyota production System in reality developed by the USA long before them.


However I would agree that Japan as a society has decided to achieve growth and stability through investment in R&D in order to overcome resource scarcity.

It is no coincidence they are top dog in robot when you think on it for a bit, scarcity means they don't have extra workers or materials to waste.

This led eventually to the Japan scare from the 80s caused mainly by American car companies thinking they were competing on price and not quality.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Well it seems when they try to enforce Sharia, they feel the force of secular, western laws.

[Strike For The South]

Well it seems when they try to enforce Sharia, they feel the force of secular, western laws.

See Frags, We're winning!

At the end of the day you can't stop sex and booze. Life is to short and very few people have that big a stick up their ass.

[Adrian II]

See Frags, We're winning!

At the end of the day you can't stop sex and booze. Life is to short and very few people have that big a stick up their ass.

Sir, you may consider yourself siggied.

AII

[Louis VI the Fat]

Well it seems when they try to enforce Sharia, they feel the force of secular, western laws.

See Strike, Fragony is right.


There is such a thing as illegally enforced Sharia law in Western countries. I say that whipping serves the convert right for converting to a brutal religion:

An Australian convert to Islam was pinned down and lashed 40 times for drinking alcohol by a group of Muslim men who broke into his home to punish him for breaking sharia law, a court heard Tuesday.

The man, 31, was allegedly restrained and whipped with a cord in his Sydney house Sunday morning by four men who forced their way in after he went out for drinks with friends.

[Strike For The South]

No Frags is wrong, Do some use sharia law for their own ends. Yes. However some also beat the shop owner for extortion money.

Simply becuase it is happening (IMO on a much smaller scale than Frags apocolyptic dream where all the clogs are thrown into the North Sea) does not mean there is a fundamental shift in law or how it is apllied. It means there is a crime being commited and the perps should be brought to justice. I can run my own kangroo court just as well as the next guy but it means jack all.

That is the point here, I am surprsied so many people are running for the hills simply becuase a few immigrants decided to play rule of law.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Yeah and the main point was that nobody was turning a blind eye to it. Muslims break the law, they are dealt with...

[Louis VI the Fat]

Yeah and the main point was that nobody was turning a blind eye to it. Muslims break the law, they are dealt with...

No, this instance the law got involved because it happened to a convert. That is, somebody who speaks the language, trusts the police, understands the system, is not socially vulnerable, does not feel socially obliged to a minority culture.



Sharia rocks the French and Italian legal system, two high profile cases:

France might not be the panacea either. Indeed in one very publicized case, last June, a French judge ruled in favor of a Muslim man who wanted the annulment of his marriage because his wife turned out not to be a virgin. What this decision amounted to was the endorsement of the repudiation concept. This decision triggered a huge outcry from politicians, and various organizations. In November, a French court of appeal overturned the decision. Interestingly, a large majority of French Muslims, about 80 percent are very secular and totally reject any kind of Sharia law being implemented in the homeland of human rights.

In Italy, three members of a Brescia-based Maghrebi family (father, mother and eldest son) were accused of beating up and sequestering their daughter/sister Fatima because she wanted to live a "Western" life.

In the first trial, the three were sentenced for sequestration and bad treatment. The court acknowledged that the teenager was "brutally beaten up" for having "dated" a non-Muslim and in general for "living a life not conforming with the culture" of her family. But on appeal, the family was acquitted because the court deemed that the young woman was beaten up for "her own good." The Bologna public prosecutor's office then disputed the acquittal of the three accused parties, but the Italian Supreme Court of Cassation dismissed it and ruled in favor of the charged parties.

Interestingly two Italian political leaders on the opposite side of the political spectrum, Isabella Bertolini, vice president of the MPs of the right-wing party Forza Italia, and Barbara Pollastrini, a post-communist former minister agreed to condemn the Supreme Court decision: "This verdict writes one of the darkest pages of history of the law in our country."
Isabella Bertolini was upset that the court "allied itself with radical Islam" and Barbara Pollastrini is pushing for parliament to pass as soon as possible a law condemning violence against women: "Now more than ever, it is urgent to defend the rights of a large number of immigrant women victims of an intolerable patriarchal culture."

Muslim women were quick to denounce the supreme court's decision. Among them, Souad Sbai, president of the Organization of Moroccan Women in Italy.

[HoreTore]

Your first example is irrelevant and weakens the point your second example makes, Louis.

I should be able to annul my marriage on the grounds that I saw a blue bird flying past my window, if I so desire.