[EB] EDU Balance Proposals

**Lazy O** · 07-26-2011, 06:53

Nevertheless, Archers rout too slowly to cavalry, you would need a cata charge at the very least to insta rout them. Melee cavalry, with their intended use being to kill all these archers and skirmishers, actually are crap against them since they die too fast to arrows and the archers take too long to rout.

**-Stormrage-** · 07-26-2011, 13:19

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**antisocialmunky** · 07-26-2011, 15:05

Originally Posted by Lazy O

Nevertheless, Archers rout too slowly to cavalry, you would need a cata charge at the very least to insta rout them. Melee cavalry, with their intended use being to kill all these archers and skirmishers, actually are crap against them since they die too fast to arrows and the archers take too long to rout.

Yeah, the main issue with fighting archers is if you guard mode them they will shoot arrow instead of melee like Legolas or something. You need sufficient mass to rout them instantly or its never worth it to charge them. Cost up may be a good solution but high end skirms do the EXACT SAME THING and have MOUNT EFFECT so if you're going to nerf archer screwing up cav, you should nerf skirms screwing up cav.

Its not pure RPS logic in EB and you really need to take advantage of cavalry mass to make cav cost effective (as in 3 cav charge 1 unit that's vulnerable). I suppose a suitable counter would be to make it so medium cav comes in like slightly bigger units. One of the biggest morale penalties in this game is being attacked by something larger.

Also, would it be possible, since slingers are quite underpowered to make them bigger?

**-Stormrage-** · 07-26-2011, 15:54

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Also, would it be possible, since slingers are quite underpowered to make them bigger?

Where were you when i was ranting about this the other day.

and i totally agree about decreasing archer and skirmisher morale that will solve the problem of skrewing up rear cav charges AND will effectively stop archers fighting like heavy infantry.

**Brave Brave Sir Robin** · 07-26-2011, 15:59

Slingers underpowered? 4 slinger units following up an army are sufficient to destroy any heavy cav or at least keep them away while your infantry wins the battle before they are killed off by enemy archers.

**Kival** · 07-26-2011, 16:14

What's wrong with strong spear skirmishers beeing able to stop cavalry? Or is it only about skirmishers in skirmish-mode? I really can't see that cavalry is so disadvantaged, good players with cav (not me!) win with their cav and players who are not so good lose because they've not yet learned to use them properly. One cav-charge of one unit does not root much but with some more charges (depending on the actual cavalry) you still can kill a lot.

**gamegeek2** · 07-26-2011, 17:57

Im thinking right now a couple of tweaks:

-Another 1 attack point for javelin skirmishers
-Persianarchers get 6 or lower morale (they should be instarouted by cavalry)
-Archer spearmen get 8 morale but 3 arrow attack

**-Stormrage-** · 07-26-2011, 18:18

persians and spear archers arent even used . Our problem is imperial ,bosphoran, and cretan archers, those are the archers that need de-moralizing.

skirmishers should get low morale too.

The reason behind lowering morale for ALL archers and skirmishers is so that people stop using them too ruin cav charges. But maybe skirmishers and archers WERE historically used to stop cav charges.

Edit: i dont think +1 attack for javelins will do anything especially since almost allEB units have ALOT of armour. Either decrease armour value of grieves, helmets, body armour etc. or give a mega boost to javs i was thinking 16 jav damage ,some of u might think its OP but you must remember javs are NOT AP and all EB units have alot of armour ( even naked people have 4 armour) .

**Lazy O** · 07-26-2011, 18:36

Correction. If they are not fixed, you people will curse the day Persians were made into 100 men because of what ive planned for august.

And all skirmishers and archers should have 6 morale. I dont care, a simple village dud with a spear and small shield cannot stop a cavalry man. Elite Archers like Bosporan I suppose are fine as is, but beside them, even cretans and Imperials, every armoured archer should be 6 morale.

The biggest thing that would do is to stop people sitting around with 5 archers infront of 15 infantry with no cavalry and think they can win.