Westeros: A Game of Thrones.

[Greyblades]

Uh... no I wasnt working with riverrun. They were as pissed at us about eddard as the starks were.

[White_eyes:D]

Starks are too weak-hearted.

I would think sending Theon to the wall is a fate worse then death personally.

@Greyblades: Riverrun was just looking for back-up, had you put pressure on them they would have caved.... you would have needed to declare war on the Greyjoys before we did but by that point the Greyjoys were attacking Stannis and the Highgarden forces anyway. You could have wiped out 3-4 rival Kingdoms by taking advantage of my diplomatic blunder with the Tully's.

[Kival]

I would think sending Theon to the wall is a fate worse then death personally.

You did that? Was it announced publically?

[White_eyes:D]

You did that? Was it announced publically?

I would not have said anything but I assume John would have mentioned it with Cat going to the wall and all.(I also wanted her to hate on Jon for no reason while there)

[Greyblades]

Cat was going to the wall?

@Greyblades: Riverrun was just looking for back-up, had you put pressure on them they would have caved.... you would have needed to declare war on the Greyjoys before we did but by that point the Greyjoys were attacking Stannis and the Highgarden forces anyway. You could have wiped out 3-4 rival Kingdoms by taking advantage of my diplomatic blunder with the Tully's.

I honestly hadn't thought of that, though I'm pretty sure if I tried you would have come up with some way out of it.

[White_eyes:D]

My first knee jerk reaction was to declare war on the Tully's for accusing Robb of working with the Greyjoy's. I knew that it would look really bad to declare war on your allies even for an insult such as that though.

I had no counters in place and I knew I couldn't declare war on the Lannister's until it was straighten out.(They're not going to let a believed hostile army pass through)

If you had sent some "spy's" out, I am sure it would have show this. Didn't you find it weird Robb didn't declare war after Ned was killed? Usually is a sign something has gone wrong and that something for the Starks was the Riverlands.

[Kagemusha]

cuz the game is restarting now i can say this but you never had superiour odds. 1 longship was a strronga as a carrack and we had 30-40 ships at the sound...

In reality it is not. The host made a huge error with your faction, based on typo on the wiki of ice and fire. The number should be 100 men compared to 1000. :P There are several mentionings that the Ironborn have a huge amount of ships, but they are smaller then war galleys and carracks. The largest are about 100 meters long and only few meters wide, so good luck cramping 1000 marines to those.

This is one of those issues that need some work.

[johnhughthom]

Can I make a request here guys?

I have decided I won't be returning to the Gameroom due to the behaviour of a number of players towards myself over the course of this game, though I have told Beskie I'll help him with his reboot. Reading through this I am getting a lot of criticism for "errors" and such like, which are completely incorrect. I would like to request that this thread is closed please, and that the players in the reboot try to have a little more respect for the host when they have an issue with the game, there is nothing wrong with taking issue with the decisions made in a game, but there are ways of doing it.

[Ishmael]

Truly JHT, we all greatly appreciate your fantastic work. I apologise if any of my or others' comments have come across as offensive, but at the moment we're just trying to give constructive criticism to our new host, to help make your concept as good as it can be. It goes to show how engrossed we got in this game that we got genuinely upset when things went poorly, and I apologise if I was rude at any point because of this.

[atheotes]

Can I make a request here guys?

I have decided I won't be returning to the Gameroom due to the behaviour of a number of players towards myself over the course of this game, though I have told Beskie I'll help him with his reboot. Reading through this I am getting a lot of criticism for "errors" and such like, which are completely incorrect. I would like to request that this thread is closed please, and that the players in the reboot try to have a little more respect for the host when they have an issue with the game, there is nothing wrong with taking issue with the decisions made in a game, but there are ways of doing it.

I am truly saddened by this. I am sure all the players have great respect for the amount of time and energy you have put in to host this game. Poor behaviors towards you might just be due to the fact they are deeply engrossed in the world you have set up for us. I am not condoning the behavior, far from it, just hoping that you would see it in that light and not stay away from the gameroom.

[Jarema]

I want to thank you JHT as well. It was a really good game while it lasted

[johnhughthom]

Truly JHT, we all greatly appreciate your fantastic work. I apologise if any of my or others' comments have come across as offensive, but at the moment we're just trying to give constructive criticism to our new host, to help make your concept as good as it can be. It goes to show how engrossed we got in this game that we got genuinely upset when things went poorly, and I apologise if I was rude at any point because of this.

Thanks Ishmael (and everyone else), and I would point out that any constructive criticism given to me was always taken as such, I had many discussions with players over subjects we were on totally different levels regarding, and always took the time to put my side across and listen to the players, more often than not coming to some sort of compromise. I understand that the players got deeply involved, and overlooked certain comments because of this, but the weight of criticism, 9 times out of 10 because of events the players were unaware of (which was stressed by myself many times), became far too much. Sitting at my computer for 12 hours straight, trying to make order of extensive orders from many factions, then trying to put up brief outlines to be padded out with detail later, only to be told my effort were "crap" (to the relevant player, in no way is this aimed at you, simply a constant stream of comments that ate away at my confidence and motivation to host the game came to a head at that point). The vast majority of the comments in the QTs were edited almost immediately, clearly they were said in the heat of the moment and the players realised that they were unfair, and more than one player did apologise for something they said, which was appreciated, but I saw most of them and it's not nice to put something together for the enjoyment of others and come across such posts.

Anyway, I just wanted to make clear that I have nothing against any player, there were definite issues with the game, most notably naval strengths and the fact that standing armies were much too strong in comparision with calling up sworn houses. Though I would like to point out that at no stage did I say the game was based exactly on GRRM's lore, this was an alternate history, not an interactive history.

Good luck with the new game guys, and play nice. Now Beskie gets to host the game with the problems ironed out, and I'll be the guy who ragequit (well, sadquit) because his game sucked...

[Secura]

I'm going to close the thread as per johnhughthom's request, but I think that there is something that needs to be said first.

I have only been a member of the Org for two years, drawn here by the promise of a strong mafia community, a promise that was not only delivered but exceeded tenfold. Even when my passion for mafia has waned, I've always held the opinion that the Gameroom epitomises the kind of community that we want to foster at the Org; there's a strong sense of respect and camaraderie among the patrons in this little corner of the site, regardless of whether you're new to forum gaming or one of those old timers who played GH's Mafia I shortly after the invention of the wheel.

Much of the traffic that comes to the Org still focuses on the Total War series, yet the Gameroom is able to gather 117 people together for a game of mafia, a truly amazing feat for both the local moderator team and the player base. Capo IV may not have been the best game of mafia I've seen in my time at the Org, but it was a real joy to behold just how welcoming our community was to the large influx of new members, many of whom have opted to hang around as a result. You all earned yourselves a pat on the back with that one.

Hosting is an extremely time-consuming and stressful process, during which even the best laid plans can unravel; non-mafia games moreso, as there's a greater degree of freedom in player actions when you're not confined to the structurised style of mafia. When you have a game with such expansive lore and vastly different victory parameters and thus phase orders for each player/faction, you have to realise results are not always going to go your way, whether that is due to a poor roll of the dice or the actions of your fellow players. When that happens, you need to roll with the punches and accept the fact that you have been outwitted or unlucky, rather than venting your displeasure to the host, who only wants you to enjoy their work.

The Gameroom is about fun and community, and no member should ever feel that they have to step away from that because of the actions of others. I only hope that johnhughthom's decision to cease his participation in the Gameroom is not a permanent one, I for one will miss his unique approach to playing.

Let's focus on the reboot now, shall we?