Westeros: A Game of Thrones.

[White_eyes:D]

My personal opinion is that a Lord should be able to call up his bannermen when ever he pleases, but it is not my call to decide that.

I disagree with that, I don't think you can call up the bannerman without a campaign or war going on.

And what would the Lord tell his Vassals who are paying the upkeep when he calls them up for nothing like that?

If you want to do sneak attacks use your personal army, don't rely on testy Vassals who may sell you out.

[Greyblades]

Ooh, I forgot about traitor vassals, give me a minute.

"Dear Lord Bolton..."

[Kagemusha]

I disagree with that, I don't think you can call up the bannerman without a campaign or war going on.

And what would the Lord tell his Vassals who are paying the upkeep when he calls them up for nothing like that?

If you want to do sneak attacks use your personal army, don't rely on testy Vassals who may sell you out.

Like i said my opinion does not have anything to do with sneak attacks. For example if i knew before that i would be attacked. I cant call my banners up and ready in all silence. Now i cant do this even if i had information about something sinister before hand.

It is just a mechanic, nothing else.

[johnhughthom]

Its quite simple to add "call banners if attacked" to orders.

[White_eyes:D]

Good thing the North would never accept him as warden without hostages/gold and no male Starks left, huh?

[Jarema]

I wonder how much time realistically would calling the banners take

[Greyblades]

Good thing the North would never accept him as warden without hostages/gold and no male Starks left, huh?

Oh, I know what to do about that.

[Kagemusha]

Its quite simple to add "call banners if attacked" to orders.

Sorry for bring that up.It is just a personal opinion, nothing else.I will not bring it up again. It is all besides the point in any case as the thing i wanted to discuss was the possible last minute declarations which seem gamey to me.

[White_eyes:D]

Like i said my opinion does not have anything to do with sneak attacks. For example if i knew before that i would be attacked. I cant call my banners up and ready in all silence. Now i cant do this even if i had information about something sinister before hand.

It is just a mechanic, nothing else.

It's not like you could be overrun in one turn, I would wager it would take at least a couple of turns to take The Reach. That's if you were not putting up a fight for whatever reason.

I don't know how john is doing the troop movement or if the banner-mans land is occupied it equals his army gone or if only you sign a peace treaty and give away the land does his army disband?

[johnhughthom]

Sorry for bring that up.It is just a personal opinion, nothing else.I will not bring it up again. It is all besides the point in any case as the thing i wanted to discuss was the possible last minute declarations which seem gamey to me.

Don't be daft, I'm more than happy for the players to let me know their thoughts on gameplay. I want to get the results done for this round, then I'll look at making a rule for declarations. I see where you are coming from with not being allowed to call the banners, there are arguments both ways. I simply feel in terms of game balance and simplicity not being able to call unless at war was the best decision.

[Kagemusha]

Don't be daft, I'm more than happy for the players to let me know their thoughts on gameplay. I want to get the results done for this round, then I'll look at making a rule for declarations. I see where you are coming from with not being allowed to call the banners, there are arguments both ways. I simply feel in terms of game balance and simplicity not being able to call unless at war was the best decision.

Thank you. I guess i just have the urge to ramble about something while being anxious to read what have happened. It is just telling how good game you have created.

[Montmorency]

It seems we could be endlessley specific with our orders.

Each member of the Martell family has 10 elite bodyguards posted outside their rooms each night.

Each Martell must drink 1.5 l of the purest water, eat 3 full meals a day, and sleep 6 hours a night. .

Each Martell must heed the call of nature in the appropriate space, unless immediately occupied otherwise.

Martells may not faint, trip, or otherwise embarrass themselves before the men.

The Duke of Lemonwood must drink...

[Greyblades]

HaHA! you seem to have forgotten to check the privvies for assassins crawling through the tubes, say goodbye to oberon suckers! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

Kidding.

[White_eyes:D]

I am guessing our characters stats decide if our actions are successful or if they just plain fail CK style.

[Greyblades]

I would assume there are some actions that dont require stat checks, otherwise we'd have a situation where Mace Tyrell gets lost in his own land trying to move from Oldtown to Highgarden because he messed up a dice roll.

[johnhughthom]

No, I'll assume the characters have either glanced at a map, or have a retainer who has.

[Kagemusha]

Mace Tyrell is bit like many CEO´s these days. He has been blessed with bunch of good employees, so he can sit on his fat behind and take credit from the hard work and talent of others.

[The Stranger]

Yes.Of course it is up to host. I was suggesting 24 hours as we can have teams from different continents and all these people have limited time to view the forums because of various reasons. The surprise attacks without declarations are whole other ball game as they are what they are, surprises. With a proper declaration of War. Any House should be able to discuss their options. No matter where on the globe they happen to live and what time zone. In the game the council of a certain House would be in one place in any case.

My personal opinion is that a Lord should be able to call up his bannermen when ever he pleases, but it is not my call to decide that.

I agree with that. and to be honest, my last minute declaration was because i actually forgot that i had to do it in the thread... i went home from a gathering actually to make the declaration. (im not proud of that XD)

calling banners only in time of war seems fine to me.

[Beskar]

Are me and the Lannister's technically at war?

I think the answer to that would be "Yes", since I just told them to leave King's Landing (which I doubt they would do), and they called me a traitor and want my head. Plus I said if they didn't leave in thread, I would blockade them and we called eachother "pretender king" (Joffery) and "outlaw" (Stannis)... very grey area'd.

[Greyblades]

Depends, do you want to be curbstomped now or after you've taken care of Renly?

[White_eyes:D]

I am kinda guessing that you guys would be at frosty relations but not outright war yet. Unless one of you guys give up your claim to the Iron throne, I can't see this ending any other way then though bloodshed though.

[Beskar]

Depends, do you want to be curbstomped now or after you've taken care of Renly?

Well, there was a reason no one bothered to attack Stannis at Dragonstone. Mostly due to the fact the amount of resources required to take it would be too costly, especially if you are going to have Starks, Tully's, and other factions having dinner without invite in Casterly Rock.

I think the relations between North and South Korea who are "technically at war" is less than Dragonstone and the Lannisters.

[Kagemusha]

To me.You are at war the second Joffrey is proclaimed King by the Hand or the High Council as Stannis had made a claim to the throne.

[The Stranger]

am i at war with the tullys?

[Double A]

Depends, do you want to be curbstomped now or after you've taken care of Renly?

Yes, attack the neutral faction, see where that gets you.

[Greyblades]

...Wait, Renly's neutral? ...The Starks arent going to do much as long as Eddard isnt killed outright, Renly's neutral, Stannis is Icy but not outright war... Is there anyone who actually is at war with us?

[The Stranger]

Highgarden (they plot and they scheme, growing bolder). And don't forget the Starks have Tyrion.

Man I'm dying of impatience...

[Montmorency]

You've been at war with us ever since that fateful day...

[The Stranger]

this is no longer meta game!!! to the official thread u guys

[Kagemusha]

Highgarden (they plot and they scheme, growing bolder). And don't forget the Starks have Tyrion.

Man I'm dying of impatience...

What is this nonsense? Highgarden is more neutral then neutral can be.