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    Default Re: Anders Behring Brevik's online following and the way forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    As much as I hate to say it, I may actually kind of agree with Fragony. Look at what's happened here. It makes me want to cry, to be honest. These acts of violence are inexcusable and I hope that the perpetrator realises to full extent how horrific his actions were.

    However, what society have we wrought in which the only way people can express their opinions through the means of violence? Even if this was indeed the act of a lone wolf, a single person that in his crazy mind decided the best way to help society is by the cold execution of several dozens of young people who came together to find a way to improve their country in their own way, doesn't it tell us something about the way how we have collectively alienated certain people from society, by automatically refusing to consider their opinions, even if they may be of a controversial nature.

    I fear that several subjects have become indiscussable in our democratic societies after World War II. These subjects include eugenics, population control, state-sanctioned discrimination and problems with immigration. I do not think the fall of the Berlin wall had anything to do with it. We have suffered from a collective guilt complex after the horrors of World War II, and for a good reason, because many of our states (in)directly supported the nazis, of which many people here are aware and I don't have to explain. It's good that we have decided that such horrible events should never take place again, but at what cost?

    Perhaps if the extreme right wing had not been alienated, but rather had been fought at on their own terms, such a situation could've been avoided. Perhaps. And even then, is it really worth the risk? I'm not sure.
    An excellent post, which unfortunately overlooks two things:

    Those PC taboos are taboos of old. They are already ancient, of a previous era. There is no silence. There is no silencing of hardright proponents. Far from it. Immigration, the failure of the multicultural society are not taboos, they completely dominate European debate. So much so, that one could rather speak of an obsession. Every frontpage of every European newspaper, every internet forum, is all about Muslims, immigration, resurgent nationalist reflexes.

    Secondly, Norway's hardright isn't marginalised at all. As everywhere else, it has been winning elections, is now Norway's second largest party, has governed Norway by propping up a rightwing coalition.


    It is in this atmosphere of broken taboos, of the hardright's meteoric rise to power, that this terror attack took place. Not in an atmosphere of repression. Although the perception of the terrorist itslef might have been one of repression, and his frustrations based on his thinking Europe is not turning hardright.
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