Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[Romanic]

This is a weak argument. If fluffy had named suspects and tried to save himself he would have been lynched anyway for acting out of character and trying to hard to not get lynched. It was an easy bandwagon and a lot of people jumped onto it.

I disagree - It would have been a bad argument to accuse Fluffy of being out of character if he was only responding to the pressure. Most players are forced out of their usual style when votes are piling on them, they have to.

[Believer]

Everything else that was posted against me is bogus.

This will only be believed by those who were too tired or unwilling to read our exchange. Obvious scum is obvious.

[Tratorix]

I disagree - It would have been a bad argument to accuse Fluffy of being out of character if he was only responding to the pressure. Most players are forced out of their usual style when votes are piling on them, they have to.

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this, as arguing over hypotheticals won't really help anything.

People who voted for fluffy last round:

Earthling, SoulBlade, Khazaar, TLD, GH, Romanic, Johnhughthom, Double A.

People Who voted for God Emporer when he was lynched:

Zack, Renata, Beskar, Earthling, Khazaar, Warman, glyphz, DIY, Capt Blackadder, Ironside, JHT, classical, Riedquat

Overlap: Johnhughthom, Earthling

[Romanic]

I said he has a point. I didn't say I thought fluffy was lynch-worthy.

EDIT: And Romanic, you voted fluffy because he "wasn't looking for scum", which you are also guilty for. What else would you call starting an easy bandwagon on someone for being silly, who you admit you don't necessarily think is scum?

Well, you may think that I am not looking for scum, but in my opinion, I am (and I've explained this in my previous answer to you).

Also, I am pretty sure that I never "admitted" that "I don't necessarily think Fluffy is scum". Don't put words in my mouth please. .

Of course I thought, and I still think, that Fluffy could be scum, since the writeup did not give us a clue about his true identity.

[TheLastDays]

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this, as arguing over hypotheticals won't really help anything.

People who voted for fluffy last round:

Earthling, SoulBlade, Khazaar, TLD, GH, Romanic, Johnhughthom, Double A.

People Who voted for God Emporer when he was lynched:

Zack, Renata, Beskar, Earthling, Khazaar, Warman, glyphz, DIY, Capt Blackadder, Ironside, JHT, classical, Riedquat

Overlap: Johnhughthom, Earthling

As I have already stated on some occasions, Earthling seems off to me but being on both wagons is not strong evidence for that. As Mafia I would have jumped one of them and avoided the other.

[TheLastDays]

This will only be believed by those who were too tired or unwilling to read our exchange. Obvious scum is obvious.

Yea sure. You are either scum, in which case I will bring you down, this I swear. No matter if I get killed in the process. Or you are town and you will realise your mistake at some point, hopefully before khaan posts the game result. But let me say it again: Please post valid points that can be responded too, everything else will make me think the former about you is correct and if you are town I don't want to spend time hunting for you.

[Secura]

vote: White Eyes

[Believer]

Yea sure. You are either scum, in which case I will bring you down, this I swear. No matter if I get killed in the process. Or you are town and you will realise your mistake at some point, hopefully before khaan posts the game result. But let me say it again: Please post valid points that can be responded too, everything else will make me think the former about you is correct and if you are town I don't want to spend time hunting for you.

This is either a very clever joke that doesn't make me laugh or a horrible attempt at a defense.

We've already been through all this and you had no defense for the accusations, why do you persist there is no case?

[Yaropolk]

vote atpg

[Beskar]

ooc: Hey all, not had opportunity to follow the game but awesome write ups, khaan.
An update on my situation, doing some last minute changes where i will visit Malmo then onwards towards Copenhagen before flying back on Sunday afternoon.

vote:Beskar for running off to Denmark.

[woad&fangs]

vote: Askthepizzaguy
I will be in Austin, Texas this week at an ecology conference. I should be able to keep up with the thread and vote but don't expect any speedy replies out of me.

[dcmort93]

vote: Askthepizzaguy
I will be in Austin, Texas this week at an ecology conference. I should be able to keep up with the thread and vote but don't expect any speedy replies out of me.

I wouldn't be too keen on that. The heat may melt your computer\phone (or you) and the bats may try to fly away with it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: Askthepizzaguy
I will be in Austin, Texas this week at an ecology conference. I should be able to keep up with the thread and vote but don't expect any speedy replies out of me.

If I get lynched, make sure woadANDfangs gets lynched next round, as my final request.

None of that "lynch khaan, lynch khaan, lynch khaan, lynch khaan, lynch khaan, oh look khaan was scum. Why'd you leave him alive?"

Just kill him and be done with it. That's all I ask.

Remember Kagemusha in Animus. Just kill who I say.

[Seon]

Unvote, Vote: Woad&fangs.

It's a fair lead enough for me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll go ahead and claim just so people have full information for this lynch:

I am a basic nothing townie. I have nothing on woad&fangs other than my own random pick and stubborn streak; didn't like his bandwagon on me is all. Otherwise I wouldn't have even pressed him harder than a reasonless vote this round.

If you want to lynch me first, or wait for woad to claim, or whatever, that's fine. I just don't like people voting for me.

[Visor]

That was a good game. :D

Good luck town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also, Earthling just invaded my mailbox pressing me for information.

I don't like that either. I just claimed publicly; that's all you'll get from me.

[Earthling]

I sent you a message before you posted any of this and I'd say you're just wasting your time. You're not even in real danger of getting lynched yet this Blood Vengeance thing you're insisting on shouldn't be done that way and helps nobody. I agree that as far as I know there is nothing between you and woad that matters in this feud, except that you're in the way of pursuing preferred suspects for the lynch.

[glyphz]

*sigh*
If I knew that this unjustified persecution (aka wagon) would persist into the next phase then Id have helped town out myself earlier, and let town focus somewhere else sooner (& let Fluffy go on w/ his antics).

Last time I'll address the 'case' Renata pointed out.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

8 God Emperor (Zack, Renata, GH, Beskar, Earthling, Khazaar, Warman, Fluffy)
2 woad&fangs (dcmort, Believer)
2 White_Eyes:D (Yaropolk, Diamondeye)
2 Fluffy (GE, Romanic)
1 Earthling (TheLastDays)
1 Ironside (Andres)
1 Chaotix (WE)
---
18 not voting (lots)

VERY WELL!

Unvote (GE); Vote: Romanic

Does that please you?
HMMMM?!?

Yes, Ironside must die.

Vote: Ironside

As for woad, he must also die.

Eventually people are just gonna have to get used to fluffy.

I don't think he ever intends to play a game seriously. He's just comic relief. Only reason to lynch him is scan evidence or if he gets too annoying. As of now, I probably would be voting for him, if not for the fact that suspected power role/scum GE is attempting to take the easy way out by making him a target.

That said, not necessarily a scum move. Only survivalist. I don't trust him, but I won't be contributing to the runaway bandwagon.

Let's take a third option.

Vote:Believer

Vote: woad&fangs
Maybe I'll get necromancied back to life by a third party . I like Pizza's plan.

Right, bandwagon seems to be runaway enough. Continuing with the lurker poking:

Unvote: God Emperor
Vote: autolycus

Vote: White eyes

There's probably a 3 vote lead bet G_E & the next canditate, & at least 10 nonvoters.

Vote: God_Emperor for safe measure...

You should see why I have reason to be concerned (of the trend) back then and the need to put G_E back into the spotlight.(& I've already posted my view on G_E's 'reveal')

Other points to consider:
a) I was active much of the end of the day, but never did a vote to preserve myself. Should give you an idea of how 'important' I think of my own survival / role (of w/c I've hinted on already in a post, and to someone who inquired in private)
b) noone really put any effort to defend me or persistently try to throw suspicion somewhere else, considering the not solid at all case placed against me. Moot, if there were actually damning evidence against me.

Misc. tidbit you may want to consider
Wouldn’t scum prefer to keep fluffy around than vote him off (& thus focus on me), considering he has no intention whatsoever to analyze or contribute productively in any discussion (& even admitted to it). So instead of focusing on the fluffy wagon, try to check the ones jumping on mine.

[Earthling]

Yeah, that post is going to do the exact opposite of comforting people. So you're implying you're a neutral/third party of some sort? I do doubt you are one of the killers, but that doesn't really help your lynch prospects.

[glyphz]

Yeah, that post is going to do the exact opposite of comforting people. So you're implying you're a neutral/third party of some sort? I do doubt you are one of the killers, but that doesn't really help your lynch prospects.

Neutral/third party?
No, not what I was hinting to at all.
I'll give ya another helping hand.
*Points to post arguing w/ Zack*

[Earthling]

Well if the claim is that you're another basic townie that doesn't help us out, because it's unverifiable right now, and indicates very little was meaningful about whatever you said to anyone in private. Otherwise your grand case defending yourself is a lot of filler.

Every scum can pretty much pretend they are a basic townie here, and keep pretending so after death too because they won't be revealed. Not a bombshell, but I'm just saying I don't think this is helping you out.

[glyphz]

Indeed. I'm not expecting people to just take my word for it .
(edit: and also why i'm hinting on it rather than proclaiming)
What you're saying is exactly what I was telling Zack earlier.
Why I posted that in my defense is, as I've mentioned, related to how I did not try preserve myself last vote phase (despite my vote could've been very influential to the result) & what I thought of my own importance to town & how damaging my lynch would be for town

[Askthepizzaguy]

I sent you a message before you posted any of this and I'd say you're just wasting your time. You're not even in real danger of getting lynched yet this Blood Vengeance thing you're insisting on shouldn't be done that way and helps nobody.

Come talk to me when I don't have a pile of dead scums a mile high based on this exact behavior.

except that you're in the way of pursuing preferred suspects for the lynch.

I'm in the way?

I don't know what that means exactly, but I'm sure it makes sense in your head.

[TheLastDays]

This is either a very clever joke that doesn't make me laugh or a horrible attempt at a defense.

We've already been through all this and you had no defense for the accusations, why do you persist there is no case?

This was neither. It was no joke and it was no defense because for a whole while you haven't posted anything to defend against. This was merely a declaration.

I replied to all your points and if you still think there is something that needs an answer, please restate it.

[Andres]

vote atpg

Interesting case. Brilliant analysis. Outsanding reasoning and flawless logic.

I'd like to hear more.

[classical_hero]

vote:Zack He could be scummy, but I am not convinced on anyone right now.

[Death is yonder]

Because I think Seon is more deserving of attention at the moment.



Alright, let's call her Valkyrie from now on then. I would like to agree with you because it would feel good to have caught scum already. But, honestly, after the secons failed attempt by big axe guy, GE's claims received some more credibility and at the moment I rather have him down as a townie who did a very dumb move with keeping back his information. I might be a bit biased, because I defended him on Day 1 but I think the scums have just switched who does the killing.

More deserving of attention than yourself perhaps?

In any case, so you think that GE was town because he:

1. Claimed he needed time to see whether the situation called for revealing and how much should be revealed
2. Followed this up by contradicting himself and claiming to be a basic townie, and coming up with a flimsy defense to try and deflect this fact
3. At first implied/soft claimed a pro-town role at point 1, despite the fact that it would be imbalanced for him to be a pro-town role because of a very simple fact (almost every single time, but I see no reason for that to be disproved now) that pro-town roles do not survive night kills, it is not balanced.

The underline section indicates you actually believed he had something to reveal, but fact of the matter is that he implied being a pro-town role, quickly changed his story that he was a basic townie, then (Point 3 above) was pointed out at which case he stopped referencing to that area of his defense probably realizing the inconsistencies would be further pointed out and emphasized.

Your current attempts to back off smells more like you trying to save your scum partner and the hitting the fan because he got lynched anyway and you got cast into the spotlight momentarily and now you're trying to deflect attention elsewhere and play down your efforts to save GE (and vice versa defending) despite his obvious scummyness.

Moreover, you clearly have been reading the thread as indicated to your replies by Believer, yet you've not responded to this post I made:

I merely said:

Vote: TLD

Hello.

To which you replied within the same hour:

Vote: DiY

Let me think.

Despite the fact that as I mentioned in a later post:

An interesting reaction considering I have not been involved in private communication with you

Something note worthy too, much akin to GE trying to subtly nudge the voting direction elsewhere, except in your case, a bit more blatant.

My vote stays.

I'd most certainly like to think that you thought that someone had been speaking in private to me about something that you've done, or something that might have implicated you as scum and you were trying to buy time to come up with a decent explanation before decided it could be ignored to play it down.

Vote: TLD

Why isn't he lynched yet?

In any case, glyphz reaction doesn't seem that scummy, compared to his behavior in Midgard when he was Jotun (can't put my finger on it, but it does feel pretty dissimilar) and I'm inclined to believe that TLD is someone who needs to be looked at first (more so than glyphz at least).

[Romanic]

vote: glyphz

Not convinced by his defense anymore, he's only defending, not trying to find Scum, I'm reading some vague answers that could be left to interpretation and he has not voted yet.

Also if GE was scum, then Renata casting the 2nd vote on GE is good enough to follow her.

[TheLastDays]

I don't understand what you're getting at completely. My vote for you was certainly a joke since I switched it as soon as I said something serious and your case was "Hello". Believe it or not.
Your "case" is based off the assumption that I was trying to imply something with my vote on you and the statement "let me think, which I didn't.

glypz isn't scummy enough for you? Vote Seon then.