Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[Arjos]

Anyway why is this ending in random wagons and last minute unvotes?

[glyphz]

Won't even let me die when I want to...

So be it.

Play on, it is.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I... wow.

For the record, if I had woken up a half-hour sooner, I would have changed my vote to glyphz strictly for the self-vote.

[Tratorix]

If their are any town or even neutral characters with the ability to kill out there, would you please kill glyphz tonight? The town really can't afford to waste another round unsuccessfully trying to lynch him.

[seireikhaan]

"Granpa, when do I get to find out how you're in the story?" the young girl asked. "You keep mentioning all these people, but what were you doing?" The old man set his hand on her head and gave her hair a gentle tussle.

"Oh, now, that's going to be the big finale, my dear! I can't tell you now, it would ruin the ending. I need to build it up to the big final! I promise, you'll know soon. Now, back to the story. That next morning, everyone gathered back, only to find out that two people were missing from last night. It caused a stir from most of the crowd, but they went silent when Angra Mainyu stood up from his throne and held his hands high. 'Fear not!' he proclaimed to the crowd. 'It is only by struggle that we can separate the strong from the weak. We may have been set back, but it will only make us that much stronger!'"

"Now, with that bit of inspiration, the crowd began a heated discussion once again, and at the end of the day, it seemed they were conflicted over two candidates to give to their lord. One, called Glyphz, seemed sad and accepting of his fate- he even offered himself to the crowd! But others in the crowd wanted to hand over the one who was simply known as 'The Pizza Man.'"

The girl scrunched her face with a frown. "What's a pizza, granpa?"

"To be truthful, nobody knows exactly, pumpkin. People began to suspect it was code for Heaven or Netherworld, or 'hates Angra Mainyu'. In the end, at the last second, a surge of support for Glpyphz resulted in The Pizzaman being handed over. He knelt before the lord, and the crowd grew silent as Mainyu touched his sword to The Pizzaman's left shoulder.

'Before we are finished,' Mainyu began. 'We must ask you, Pizzaman, the great question of your existence. What. Is. A. Pizza.'

The Pizzaman merely looked up at the lord, with sad eyes, and proclaimed to the crowd. 'It is that which I value above all else. It is not a sword to be used for combat, or a shield to be used to protect. It is not even a way of life. It is both the darkness and the light. It is both the evil and the just. It is the essential truth of human nature- that we are all one. We share our strength and suffering, our righteousness and wickedness, our temperance and gluttony, our life and death. That, sir, is Pizza.'

Angra Mainyu held his left arm aloft, palm raised. 'I salute you. May you you find peace.' And with that, he raised his sword high, and finished his duty.

He turned back to the crowd. 'But we are not yet finished, my subjects. There are still agents amongst us. May strength bind your spirits.' And with that, he dismissed the crowd for the night."



ATPG 7 (Earthling, woad&fangs, Yaropolk, Khazaar, warman, Johnhughthom, TLD)
Glyphz 6 (Glyphz, Renata, Believer, dcmort, chaotix, Romanic)
TheLastDays 3 (Choxorn, DiY, Riedquat)
Woad&fangs 3 (Diamondeye, ATPG, Seon)
Romanic 1 (Zack)
Double A 1(GH)
White eyes 1 (Secura)
Beskar 1 (Beskar)
Zack 1 (Classical Hero)

Not Voting: Autolycus, Captain Blackadder, robbiecon, SoulBlade, white eyes






Alive: 29


Autolycus
Believer
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Double A
Earthling
Johnhughthom
GeneralHankerchief
Glyphz
Khazaar
Renata
Riedquat
Robbiecon
Romanic
Secura
Seon
SoulBlade
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs
White Eyes
Yaropolk
Zack



Killed: 7

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)

Lynched: 4

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)

[glyphz]

I... wow.

For the record, if I had woken up a half-hour sooner, I would have changed my vote to glyphz strictly for the self-vote.

And you would have spared me a another round of votes.

This is on you General

[Earthling]

That was disastrously vague. Oh well. Considering we ought to know when a neutral dies it bothers me that I can't figure out for sure if a single one is dead or not yet, not even on tratorix being just neutral or anti-town, and pizza's lynch was different but not different enough to know for sure.

As for vigilante suggestions, that's a bad idea. Though I doubt there are more vigs out there other than axeguy who has some other deal, assuming tratorix was town or neutral himself. It is true we ought to stop trying to get rid of glyphz who seems to be a townie but that's accomplished by simply not lynching him. But if there are any more vigs after all, and we think it's wise to risk upping the nightkills again, then only cleaning up the lurkers (autolycus looks to be WoG'd soon, Secura or robbiecon or SoulBlade would be ok to target) is the right call for the near term.

[SoulBlade]

Is the round over?
nevermind, late reply.

[Tratorix]

It is true we ought to stop trying to get rid of glyphz who seems to be a townie but that's accomplished by simply not lynching him.

He's as good as dead next round, so I figured I'd save you the trouble if possible.

[Earthling]

He's not dead next round, at least if we can convince him not to be suicidal as a townie and encourage or vote for his own lynch. I'd expect that's reasonable, and we'll simply have plenty of better candidates to lynch. Make the scum kill him at night eventually, sure, we couldn't necessarily stop that but no reason to waste more lynches.

[Renata]

I'm not happy at all that none of my attackers have made a comment/discussion of any significance about my defense (and even much in general, shouldn't that say something about how strong the case against me is?), and instead have lurked and kept their silence, particularly Renata.

(is it bec it's a monday?)

I would have simply told the remaining town to check out those who were merely jumping in on her case (& still ask town to do so), but her silence and lack of response as the head of my prosecution is weird in my opinion. Not a fair trial at all. I thought she'd at least try to justify her case further or at least pick apart my defense.

Makes me wonder if she finally got the role she ws looking for back at sign-ups?

Charming.

[glyphz]

Charming.

Care to add your piece to this discussion?
I mean... since you decide to pop up & all, post-day...

[Earthling]

Renata is clearly acting like a neutral, in that she is only cares about her own survival, not really willing to risk anything to benefit the town. She's not exactly been anti-town, I certainly grant that, but is just avoiding any spotlight and happy to have any someone die who is not her. That's all normal for a neutral, have to survive a while for their goals, though it is possible this is because she thinks she's really important as a town power-role and wants to live really badly. I'd think that's not quite the best way to go about it here but she might still want to appear like a neutral to throw off the scum anyway then.

So glyphz if there is anyone you ought to question it's the later bandwagoners who followed for no reason. However I just don't think we'll see the same situation tomorrow anyway so it's not the primary thing to worry about tonight. As one exception Believer seems to have forgotten his vote was actually on you, I wouldn't even worry about him tomorrow.

[Renata]

I always have participation problems on weekends, and when I did check in briefly earlier this morning, my impression was that the deadline had passed already and you were being lynched.

I think your dredging up my pre-game wish to be mafia says more about you than about me.

You know very well there is no strong "case" against you. There's my feeling that your statement about God Emperor was wrongly phrased (which still persists; I saw your objection yesterday but couldn't get to it), and that's about it. But you were still saved yesterday on the basis of an even weaker case. Today you survive again. And the best you could think to do when that seemed like it might not happen is chuck some mud on me on the basis of participation? I don't think so.

[glyphz]

Renata is clearly acting like a neutral, in that she is only cares about her own survival, not really willing to risk anything to benefit the town. She's not exactly been anti-town, I certainly grant that, but is just avoiding any spotlight and happy to have any someone die who is not her. That's all normal for a neutral, have to survive a while for their goals, though it is possible this is because she thinks she's really important as a town power-role and wants to live really badly. I'd think that's not quite the best way to go about it here but she might still want to appear like a neutral to throw off the scum anyway then.

So glyphz if there is anyone you ought to question it's the later bandwagoners who followed for no reason. However I just don't think we'll see the same situation tomorrow anyway so it's not the primary thing to worry about tonight. As one exception Believer seems to have forgotten his vote was actually on you, I wouldn't even worry about him tomorrow.

I do still think that the focus should be on the bandwagoners (where my suspicions lies to begin w/). The only reason I placed Renata on the spotlight, is because her silence (+ mere revote on me )all the way to the end of this phase did not sit well w/ me, and raised a red flag.

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[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

So, me voting at last minute for ATPG all of a sudden spark a change in the vote and got him lynched?

[Renata]

I remember the specific objection I had to the God Emperor statement: it looked self-conscious (well, the vote's getting close, so I guess I'd better add mine ...) The degree of accuracy wasn't the issue, the statement itself was.

[TheLastDays]

Renata is clearly acting like a neutral, in that she is only cares about her own survival, not really willing to risk anything to benefit the town. She's not exactly been anti-town, I certainly grant that, but is just avoiding any spotlight and happy to have any someone die who is not her. That's all normal for a neutral, have to survive a while for their goals, though it is possible this is because she thinks she's really important as a town power-role and wants to live really badly. I'd think that's not quite the best way to go about it here but she might still want to appear like a neutral to throw off the scum anyway then.

So glyphz if there is anyone you ought to question it's the later bandwagoners who followed for no reason. However I just don't think we'll see the same situation tomorrow anyway so it's not the primary thing to worry about tonight. As one exception Believer seems to have forgotten his vote was actually on you, I wouldn't even worry about him tomorrow.

And if there's even the remote possibility that this might be the case, why are you talking about it where the scum can read about it? You are the one who doesn't make a townie effort this game and you are the one who is off.

Both you and Seon are playing weird. Seon was more active than usual in the beginning but his votes were on easy targets and he was basing cases off of shoddy reasoning and once he starts receiving just the slightest bit of suspicion over it he disappears to his usual lurking.

You are not as you usually are, Mr. Earthling. You are better than this usually, annoying, yes, but your arguments are usually better and your reasoning is even worse this game. Plus, you're not making an effort in looking for scum, you buy into weak cases and follow up on them. You reprimend (sp?) Renata on not taking risks for the town effort yet you want to lynch me for doing exactly that.

FoS: Seon
Fos: Earthling

[Earthling]

I want you dead because we'll probably see which one of green man and saber girl disappears. The only thing you have against Seon is that he reasonably voted for you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well I'm not that surprised.

So anyways, here was my new strategy for this game, since some of you wouldn't stop pestering me or my inbox.

I was, as I said, a vanilla townie. I also didn't have much time for this game, as I was far, far, far, far too busy kicking some serious on another game on another thread on another forum which required my full attention.

So I had it in mind to do the following:

1) Each round, I'd vote for someone, and insist they die
2) Next round, I'd switch to a new person and insist they die.... but I'd also be willing to lynch the first person
3) If something comes up which looks promising, I override and join the lynch on that person.


Very simple. I intended to stick to the plan but with the strange reaction to the woad vote, I kept voting for him.


Nothing fancy.


Man, you people have a very, very, very bad track record of not lynching me as mafia, and lynching me as town. You honestly should just give up.

Also: Busy elsewhere. Not gonna follow this one.

[Renata]

And if there's even the remote possibility that this might be the case, why are you talking about it where the scum can read about it?

Because he doesn't seem to have realized yet that it is possible to have thoughts in a mafia game that you don't immediately share with everyone in the room.

I don't know that it's worth a FOS, it's so completely typical. Even the vote change to ATPG.

[TheLastDays]

Well I'm not that surprised.

So anyways, here was my new strategy for this game, since some of you wouldn't stop pestering me or my inbox.

I was, as I said, a vanilla townie. I also didn't have much time for this game, as I was far, far, far, far too busy kicking some serious on another game on another thread on another forum which required my full attention.

So I had it in mind to do the following:

1) Each round, I'd vote for someone, and insist they die
2) Next round, I'd switch to a new person and insist they die.... but I'd also be willing to lynch the first person
3) If something comes up which looks promising, I override and join the lynch on that person.


Very simple. I intended to stick to the plan but with the strange reaction to the woad vote, I kept voting for him.


Nothing fancy.


Man, you people have a very, very, very bad track record of not lynching me as mafia, and lynching me as town. You honestly should just give up.

Also: Busy elsewhere. Not gonna follow this one.

I'm sorry about that. WHat I wanted to do is pressure you, not lynch you. I messed up for two different reasons:

1) Didn't check the deadline.
2) Didn't think anyone would simply go ahead and lynch you over glyphz should there be a tie, not before letting you reply.

[Riedquat]

I want you dead because we'll probably see which one of green man and saber girl disappears. The only thing you have against Seon is that he reasonably voted for you.

yeap, Seon voted for him and wanted eagerly his death too... and like you then voted someone else without any explanation... so I agree with TLD Fossing...

[TheLastDays]

I want you dead because we'll probably see which one of green man and saber girl disappears. The only thing you have against Seon is that he reasonably voted for you.

No, I have against Seon that he voted for me on bad reasoning and that he disappeared after he received the slightest bit of pressure.

Seriously what's up with you Earthling? Usually you'd hunt such behaviour down without mercy. You're definitely not looking good this game.

[Riedquat]

I'm sorry about that. WHat I wanted to do is pressure you, not lynch you. I messed up for two different reasons:

1) Didn't check the deadline.
2) Didn't think anyone would simply go ahead and lynch you over glyphz should there be a tie, not before letting you reply.

And then you ask why people vote for you... lets make a deal, kill Seon tonight and I promise to not vote for you tomorrow...

[Earthling]

Renata, the thing is the mafia killing you would be a reasonably good thing at this point as far as I know. I was fully aware my post might tempt them to try, but that's fine, the mafia killing a neutral who is voting against the town wouldn't really bother me right now. Up to you to convince me or anyone otherwise.

There are enough of us who realize TLD is so transparently scum that it's a terrible move for you to associate with him unless you are really on his team (which your votes could indicate, I'll grant that, sneaky sneaky).

His lies are both pointless and obvious. For example, despite his constant claims to the contrary, not only am I acting townie but he clearly wouldn't even know better himself. Seriously, TLD thinks he knows anything about my role here because of a single previous game that we both were in as regular players- the only game where he ever would have interacted with me- Midgard III, and where I died the first night and never got to vote, only post as a dead townie?

What's happening is that his scum partners, realizing he's a goner sooner or later, have told him to just mindlessly attack townies like me and Seon to confuse people and providing their own reasons. TLD is not honestly coming up with anything he's saying on his own, it's all just lies, PIS about the writeups, or being a mouthpiece for others.

[TheLastDays]

And then you ask why people vote for you... lets make a deal, kill Seon tonight and I promise to not vote for you tomorrow...

Damn... already sent in orders for Earthling but I'll see if khaan lets me change them

[TheLastDays]

Renata, the thing is the mafia killing you would be a reasonably good thing at this point as far as I know. I was fully aware my post might tempt them to try, but that's fine, the mafia killing a neutral who is voting against the town wouldn't really bother me right now. Up to you to convince me or anyone otherwise.

There are enough of us who realize TLD is so transparently scum that it's a terrible move for you to associate with him unless you are really on his team (which your votes could indicate, I'll grant that, sneaky sneaky).

His lies are both pointless and obvious. For example, despite his constant claims to the contrary, not only am I acting townie but he clearly wouldn't even know better himself. Seriously, TLD thinks he knows anything about my role here because of a single previous game that we both were in as regular players- the only game where he ever would have interacted with me- Midgard III, and where I died the first night and never got to vote, only post as a dead townie?

What's happening is that his scum partners, realizing he's a goner sooner or later, have told him to just mindlessly attack townies like me and Seon to confuse people and providing their own reasons. TLD is not honestly coming up with anything he's saying on his own, it's all just lies, PIS about the writeups, or being a mouthpiece for others.

HAHA you're funny. If you really believe all this I pity you but I think you're a better player than that, scum.

I'm a bit offended that you assume that I would just talk what other tell me as Mafia. I have a rather proactive playstyle. Also we have played together in Mafia X and two games with you leaves me plenty posting material of yours to analyze

Let's put this whole question to a test. You are scum. You think I'm a goner. Alright. If we don't lynch you tomorrow I will self vote and let the town destroy me because if we can't get rid of such obvious Mafia we have a big problem. As soon as I am dead I will even shut up until you have died because as long as we don't lynch you there's no point in trying anything else.

EDIT: I'll throw in another candy. If we can lynch Earthling and the town still wants me lynched, I'll still self vote the next day and let you guys have my blood. One vanilla townie for one Mafia is a good deal.

[Earthling]

Seriously what's up with you Earthling?

This was kinda a crosspost and I'll just mention again because this constant lying deserves other players seeing the callout.

You and I have never played in a mafia game before for any meaningful length of time. Everybody can check this.

It's a complete lie that you could possibly know anything about me despite that you constantly say my posts are somehow different, except that you have scum partners telling you in private this is a good way to stir up trouble. Of course it is about the same as your accusations again Seon or DiY or anyone who you have no connections to and no reason to criticize, you're just a scum.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Well I'm not that surprised.

So anyways, here was my new strategy for this game, since some of you wouldn't stop pestering me or my inbox.

I was, as I said, a vanilla townie. I also didn't have much time for this game, as I was far, far, far, far too busy kicking some serious on another game on another thread on another forum which required my full attention.

So I had it in mind to do the following:

1) Each round, I'd vote for someone, and insist they die
2) Next round, I'd switch to a new person and insist they die.... but I'd also be willing to lynch the first person
3) If something comes up which looks promising, I override and join the lynch on that person.


Very simple. I intended to stick to the plan but with the strange reaction to the woad vote, I kept voting for him.


Nothing fancy.


Man, you people have a very, very, very bad track record of not lynching me as mafia, and lynching me as town. You honestly should just give up.

Also: Busy elsewhere. Not gonna follow this one.

Since you killed me in the last mafia game, I just had to get some payback against you and this is it I guess!