Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[Andres]

So when you died, you was a cultist (and not town) ?

I was a cultist and town. Well, maybe I wasn't, but being a cultist didn't change my abilities and the host told me I had to wait until Ishtar would contact me. There was a quicktopic that I'm not allowed to link to, but I shortly died after conversion. Ishtar never contacted me or gave me orders, so in my mind, I just kept playing for town. I didn't and still don't know if Ishtar and town have conflicting interests or not.

While as a cultist (to Ishtar) you was protecting GeneralHandkerchief?

Yep.

You died ewhile protecting GH, then you was revived by person x who is role y? (please at least give role y, it isn't their forum name, so isn't unsportmanship)

I died while protecting GH. I was resurrected. The host didn't tell me who resurrected me, but I was contacted by a person who claimed he/she was the one who resurrected me. I thanked that person and told that person that having resurrected me doesn't mean I should trust him/her. The host told me that my ties to Ishtar were broken, but for the rest, my allegiances remained the same, which lead me to believe I'm town again.

The pro-town roles explicitly mentioned by the rules are doctor, watcher and masons. My resurrector could be a "variety" role or one of the neutrals. Keeping previous iterations in mind, "neutral" roles in the Netherworld aren't always pro-town. That said, I won't rat out the person who resurrected me to the town. It's a matter of principle.

My resurrector told me his/her IC name, but I won't tell it to you. Because I don't know your allegiance and what you know. Suffice to say, that I believe this person to be a pro-town role. I'm not going to give that info away. That person is free to form a pro-town network or not and to share info with you. I won't, however, no matter how much you pressure me.

While revived, you are no longer part of cult Ishtar. Have they tried to recruit you again?

I'm no longer part of the cult of Ishtar. I do not know if Ishtar tried to recruit me again.

Are you now part of another cult or grouping?

No comment

Upon your revival, did you gain additional abilities?

Nope.

Who have you been protecting, GH still or you now protecting person x ?

It would be pretty moronic for me to answer that question in public. And before you bother, I won't answer in private either.

Can person x revive more people?

I have no idea. Ask person x.

[GeneralHankerchief]

A summary on Chaotix's posts in this game:

1st three are his "in" post and then pregame banter, which I'm excluding.

Eventually people are just gonna have to get used to fluffy.

I don't think he ever intends to play a game seriously. He's just comic relief. Only reason to lynch him is scan evidence or if he gets too annoying. As of now, I probably would be voting for him, if not for the fact that suspected power role/scum GE is attempting to take the easy way out by making him a target.

That said, not necessarily a scum move. Only survivalist. I don't trust him, but I won't be contributing to the runaway bandwagon.

Let's take a third option.

Vote:Believer

Day 1. As this is the "let's lynch GE" round pretty much all discussion is focused on GE's role and the massive bandwagon that formed around him. Chaotix chooses to distance himself from everything.

Oh, please do get into a troll argument.

Rarely do I get to see a conversation where both participants are trolls.

Filler post, provides nothing of note.

Not liking the fact that this round is less than 24 hours. Leaves me only an hour to seriously read the thread after I get home.

Placeholder vote.

Vote: Fluffy

Nah. Don't like ties. Too indecisive.

Unvote, Vote: glyphz

Votes for glyphz in the Fluffy/TLD/glyphz free-for-all in order to break the tie.

The next three posts are an accidental double-post, and then his two cents regarding the fluffy situation. Again not much to see.

Vote: glyphz

Somebody tell me why we're voting for TLD again?

Following Renata, makes a base comment so it's not just a wordless vote. This is Chaotix's only post of the round.

Earthling seems like a scapegoat. TLD seems like a scapegoat. Everyone seems like a scapegoat.

Vote: Diamondeye

Next round.

Eh.

Basically a throwaway vote. You were like the first person to vote for Earthling or TLD that wasn't Earthling or TLD.

That and you're always mafia.

Don't mistake me for being serious, people. I'm totally lost and just trying to have fun. I'll probably change my vote if we get a solid case on someone, but alas this is the mid-game so it's unlikely.

Upon being questioned by Diamondeye for his reasoning. Meanwhile, Romanic steps in and implores the town to lynch White_eyes, who is probably our most sure-thing scum right now because of the whole change in the writeups (which could easily be faked by the mafia, but eh). It's in this stretch that Chaotix is most active during the entire game.

Alright, I'll go with your preferred candidate, though it makes me feel devoid of any intelligence.

You aren't really a better choice, and at least the textwalls won't have any weight behind them.

Unvote, Vote: Earthling

We better step up our game here, I feel like this game will be an echo of Mafia IX and Midgard if we don't.

This was posted at the exact same minute Romanic made his "lynch White_eyes please" post, to which Chaotix responded as follows:

Romanic, the last time the town followed you we lynched fluffy for being fluffy and got him to change his name and leave the forums. Now you wanna lynch whiteeyes for being whiteeyes?

...ignoring the fact that the two situations were entirely different, which Romanic pointed out.

First- didn't mean to imply it was your fault for fluffy leaving, sorry. Just meant it was a bad lynch.

Second- lynching people with night actions is what made us lose Midgard. We lynched like a god and two or three kings and champions, didn't we? We need more information before I will commit to voting whiteeyes for that. There seem to be a lot of power roles in this game and I'd rather not kill them all of in the rare chance we get a mafioso.

At this point the runaway wagon on White_eyes began and Chaotix stayed silent for the remainder of the round despite being previously quite active. I'll leave the town to draw their own conclusions from this.

Vote: GH

For messing with the write-ups intentionally.

Joke vote, this was the round where I reformatted khaan's writeup.

Earthling, I'm genuinedly interested in your reasoning for voting Renata. Whether your textwalls are annoying or not, you usually have a decent analysis.

Secura appears to be voting for Renata because she thinks she was metagamed, and she wanted to know what Renata's actions were. Apparently Renata is a scanner (or claims to be one), but that hasn't stopped everyone else from hopping on a bandwagon.

So what makes Renata a good choice for the lynch? Why is she a better candidate than glyphz? Because, as far as I can tell, this lynch is about whether we trust one's word or the other's, because one of them has to be lying. But from where I'm standing, it looks like neither of them are guilty if they've been roleblocked and incapable of killing for several nights.

This is the Renata/glyphz discussion, Chaotix keeping well in line with his M.O. of staying away from all of the major wagons this game.

Well, I'm not inclined to listen to much of what you say until you admit that you were active at night, whether publicly or privately.

I have no doubt that you're not a killer, but still. I have no reason to believe that Renata is not a scanner, beyond WIFOM arguments.

Further conversation with glyphz...

Vote: glyphz

I'd like to give us several options in case we wind up with a runaway bandwagon on Seon.

Diamondeye's accusation of Yaropolk looks to me like townie-not-paying-attention behavior.

Again avoiding a runaway bandwagon. This in itself tells us nothing, but Chaotix's behavior in this regard has been remarkably consistent. Also interesting to note his back-and-forths with glyphz.

I think this is probably what Death is yonder is looking at.

So, yes, Black Sword Guy called you "chaotic", Believer, which combined with the apple means Eris is probably a good guess on your role. So you could be a neutral.

Same round as before. This was the Seon lynch round.

I think there's merit in going after Andres today. Whatever's going on between him and GH seems fishy, especially considering they both seem much quieter than usual.

Vote: Andres

And this is today.

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Contrast this with Chaotix's behavior in Midgard III, who died at a similar point as to where the game is right now. He had 54 posts in a 1,590-post thread as compared to 22 posts here in an 1,140-post thread, so the ratios do not match up. Also in Midgard (where he was a townie) he was much more frustrated and engaged, where really aside from the White_eyes thing Chaotix just posts and doesn't really follow much up.

I would say that he at least warrants more attention than he is receiving right now.

[Riedquat]

The fact Andres was protecting you while being a cultist, is a bit more interesting right now...

unvote: MRD; vote: person x








Will be back later...

[GeneralHankerchief]

I knew nothing about this.

[Chaotix]

I guess mentioning you got your attention, huh GH?

Well, I have not much to comment on your analysis of me, I'd say it's pretty accurate, at the same time I don't really need to defend myself from it.

I get it. I was being a little hypocritical there by calling you quiet, I suppose. Not much reason for my change in post frequency; I try to switch things up just a little bit every game to keep people guessing. Not frustrated this time around because, as far as I can tell, we seem to be doing better at catching the mafia than we did in Midgard. One kill per night and 20 people left, and I don't feel our failure is imminent. While I can't be sure which people we've lynched have been scum since there's no death reveals, it's pretty likely we got a couple of them- either that or they're refraining from killing for some reason.

As for you- I assumed you were somehow involved with the Andres business since he was protecting you when he died. You had no idea about Andres' role or any of this Ishtar cult stuff beforehand?

[Zack]

Well, I have not much to comment on your analysis of me, I'd say it's pretty accurate, at the same time I don't really need to defend myself from it.

[defends himself]

[Choxorn]

Vote: TheLastDays

No, I still haven't given up on this.

[TheLastDays]

Good. Are there new points or am I still just feeling "scummy"?

[GeneralHankerchief]

As I said to Yaro when he asked me the night Andres died, I knew nothing about his protection or anything he was involved with. I assumed it was just a random lucky doctor save. I have not had contact with Andres, Yaro, or anybody else in this game ever since.

Also, Choxorn, if you really want TLD lynched you're going to have to try a little harder, mate. Otherwise people will just think it's a convenient cover to hide behind... like I'm starting to.

[Riedquat]

As I said to Yaro when he asked me the night Andres died, I knew nothing about his protection or anything he was involved with. I assumed it was just a random lucky doctor save. I have not had contact with Andres, Yaro, or anybody else in this game ever since.

And both of you going after Double A was pure coincidence too... I guess?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Great minds think alike.

[Beskar]

No comment

ie: Yes.

It would be pretty moronic for me to answer that question in public. And before you bother, I won't answer in private either.

I wasn't going to ask privately, but it would have been interesting for you to reply truthfully though or even do a fake answer, for example "I am protecting person x" then the mafia attacks GH again, but you was actually protecting GH, etc.

Ask person x.

He (since the She's are dead) could answer through you. For example, he could give a message to the town to let us know information about him, which might assist him in the future.

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Well, I find your points very interesting at least. I think you are possibly cult/neutral-aligned which needs to be killed off, but I don't think you are the black/fire sword guy.

[Beskar]

As I said to Yaro when he asked me the night Andres died, I knew nothing about his protection or anything he was involved with. I assumed it was just a random lucky doctor save. I have not had contact with Andres, Yaro, or anybody else in this game ever since.

That surprises me. I would have thought you are person x and you came in some sort of arrangement with Andres. It is that kind of cunning I would expect from you, have Andres die protecting you, so he looks to be town, then he gets revived by you and becomes your right-hand man which now serves you. You feign an innocent townie... oh wait, nevermind, carry on.

[Yaropolk]

vote: classical hero

All the publicly discussed suspects have some information available about them, whether through reveals, public writeups, or private results not discussed in public.

On the other hand i know nothing about CH and would like to decrease the level of unknown.i

[woad&fangs]

vote: Andres

The night kills have been reduced to a trickle and the cult leader hasn't shown up in the writeups for a while. I'm willing to expend a lynch on Andres so I'm not worrying about him for the rest of the game.

[Zack]

vote: Andres

The night kills have been reduced to a trickle and the cult leader hasn't shown up in the writeups for a while. I'm willing to expend a lynch on Andres so I'm not worrying about him for the rest of the game.

Wait, how do you know the cult leader hasn't shown up?

[Askthepizzaguy]

This game is alarmingly not all about me. Someone needs to do something to rectify this.

[Earthling]

Wait, how do you know the cult leader hasn't shown up?

Presumably for the same reason you redirected abilities against you and survived an attack, and aren't a basic townie.

More specifically, there's unresolved stuff appearing in some of the writeups that nobody much feels like discussing for whatever reason. And actually if the cult leader really is Ishtar that makes the "seduction" writeup more likely her than a vote-buying attempt after all, (plus with the strong chance white_eyes was a killer that may have been wholly a fabrication) it's up in the air.

Andres story certainly is rather flaky and he's dodged questions like why he didn't protect Secura. It's a good enough possibility that he knows something more and hasn't shared about the cult's other members, victory conditions, or is still not-town aligned.

We have to lynch the remaining mafia and we have to lynch third party anti-town, but I don't think it's dead set on which order we do it for the next few days either.

[woad&fangs]

I love it when other players explain my reasoning for me! It saves so much time

[classical_hero]

This game is alarmingly not all about me. Someone needs to do something to rectify this.

WE can lynch you agan if you want us to talk about you. I am thinking that those who are voting for Andres are wasting their votes.

[Choxorn]

Also, Choxorn, if you really want TLD lynched you're going to have to try a little harder, mate. Otherwise people will just think it's a convenient cover to hide behind... like I'm starting to.

Well.... not really, no, I don't have much new points to add aside from his scumminess early in the game. At the point, I'm mostly just voting him on my "he's still too scummy to still be alive" principle when I don't see anyone better to vote for.

For instance, I still don't get why the case on Andres is a good one, but maybe that's just because I don't know what's going on behind-the-scenes.

[White_eyes:D]

And actually if the cult leader really is Ishtar that makes the "seduction" writeup more likely her than a vote-buying attempt after all, (plus with the strong chance white_eyes was a killer that may have been wholly a fabrication) it's up in the air.

I feel the need to get you to clear this part up for me. You know if town would have PMed me in private and put pressure on me, I would have spilled my guts and even embraced the lynch. Sadly, you only did the first and now I can't say anything even if I wanted to and now you can't be certain of what I was, till the end.

Edit:Lynching Andres is a bad move though. Wait one night phase and you well see why.

[Andres]

Can somebody explain to me why I should have protected Secura?

I'm getting a feeling that I'll get lynched because of the behind-the-scenes of the townie network. This is exactly why I hate townie networks. The game becomes very VERY boring for those not involved in it. And if those in that network are wrong or they are compromised because the mafia has infiltrated them, then they fail, allthough they have bossed everybody in the game around.

This is very frustrating, certainly so in a game where the host stated specifically in the his OP that it is a guilty pleasure of him to mess with pro-town networks.

I could have easily accepted Yaro's offer and gained your trust. Very easily. I didn't, because I don't like townie networks, since it always ends up the same: have a few "confirmed innocents" gather info, lynch all oddities or unknowns (see the ridiculous vote on classical), lose the game because one of the people in the centre of the network is scum, a lot of the players were excluded from the townie network and as such drifted away from the game not having enjoyed the experience as much as they would have if there wouldn't have been a boring townie network and all action would have been in public, in plain sight. Meh.

[Andres]

He (since the She's are dead) could answer through you.

The person in your network that told you that all "She's" are dead, is a liar. You should get rid of him/her asap.

[Andres]

Unvote; Vote : Zack

[TheLastDays]

Anyone have a tally?

[Riedquat]

Anyone have a tally?

Andres 5 (Beskar, Zack, Chaotix, jht, w&f)
Chaotix 1 (GH)
Classical_hero 1 (yaropolk)
TLD 1 (Choxorn)
Zack 1 (Andres)

A lot of people not voting including myself...

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Vote:Andres

I'm voting now !

[TheLastDays]

I will not contribute to this wagon on Andres, even though I am suspicous of him. I like the case on Chatoix more. vote: Chaotix

Andres will die though, probably and I guess it's good. Things like "give me another round" didn't work too well for the town in Netherworld I

[Yaropolk]

see the ridiculous vote on classical.

This logic is not at all ridiculous and doesn't depend on the existence of any pro-town network. Let's take you and GH as an example - do I think there is a connection? Possibly. Are you scums? I don't know, but I do know at the very least that neither one of you is the scarlet lady since she appeared in the writeup with you. I'm also willing to bet that if anyone has investigative powers behind the scenes at least someone has taken a look at you even if I don't know about it.

If it comes down to the final round and the scarlet lady killer returns and you two are still alive, it will make my vote easier. On the other hand if it's the last round and the only people alive have never been under pressure and have not posted anything for analysis or appeared in any writeups, I'm just flipping a coin.