Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

**Zack** · 08-20-2011, 02:53

Originally Posted by Beskar

Warman is the guy everyone wants to lynch, but it would be a waste of a lynch to lynch him.

Sounds familiar.

**seireikhaan** · 08-20-2011, 04:11

Apologies for the delay, had a couple hiccups getting stuff moved. Tally in progress.

**seireikhaan** · 08-20-2011, 04:47

The young girl yawned, and stretched her arms. "Oh come now, pumpkin, you won't fall asleep before the end, will you?" She snapped back up.

"I can stay up, Granpa!"

"Ah, good. Anyways, when they came back, the emergence of a cult was proclaimed by the revived Andres. But people were suspicious because he'd had many accusations already against him and they weren't sure if he was just trying to save himself. A valiant defense nearly convinced a change of heart, but in the end, Andres was set forth before Angra Mainyu. He stood before the steps leading to the grand throne. A pair of guards assembled to set him into a kneeling position, but he resisted. Finally, he dipped his shoulder, grabbing one guard's arm and flinging him into the next.

'Andres, you will kneel before your King and executioner.'

"You are not the King of this world,' Andres spat. You are a False King as well as a False God.' Enraged by his defiance, Mainyu glowed an even deeper crimson, lightning sparking in random directions. He raised his right hand, and fired a beam of red light at Andres. It hit him straight in his chest, and fired straight through. Andres immediately collapsed to the ground in a smoking heap.

'Well done, my subjects. The defiant shall learn their place, or suffer as he did. Now, back to your work. I am sure there are more still.'

Andres 6 (Beskar, Chaotix, johnhughthom, woad&fangs, warman, Riedquat)
Warman 5 (Zack, classical hero, GH, Yaropolk, Choxorn)
Zack 1 (Andres)

Alive: 20

Autolycus
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Johnhughthom
GeneralHankerchief
Glyphz
Khazaar
Major Robert Dump
Riedquat
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs
Yaropolk
Zack

Killed: 12

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)

Lynched: 8

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)

WoK: 1

SoulBlade

**Earthling** · 08-20-2011, 06:13

So who's liking the idea of Andres being a cult bodyguard? That is, he couldn't actually protect other people in general, he just got to die in place of his cult leader/allies. Not a guarantee but worth a look into.

Semi-related note, I believe white_eyes asked me to clarify something I said earlier. It's the writeup with the one "seduction" that is not a kill but something else, one of a couple unknown events in the writeups. People said white_eyes (and you're unknown/scum) was a vote changer so there was a theory that the writeup indicated white_eyes doing something. However, at this point given Ishtar (fertility goddess and more, anyone can look that up) seems to be the cult leader I was pointing out that no, the writeup there seemed to indicate cult activity.

The rest of this is to the reviver. Assuming you're a town reviver. We can't really hold reviving Andres against you because you had no way to know you were reviving a cultist, that sort of thing happens.

What would make things worse is if you give into pressure and get yourself revealed to the mafia/other parties and then killed. So don't blame yourself for anything here, and the town shouldn't either, just be careful things don't get worse (other cultists might know who you are though, that's an obvious headsup)

As often said, with a quick look at the previous Netherworld games and what's reasonable for a town reviver it seems possible that your revive ability is on cooldown recharge. That's ok too. Just make it to where you can revive another townie and things will be fine.

**Death is yonder** · 08-20-2011, 06:53

Hmm? How odd. A glance at the timer when I posted last night told me that voting was up already by the time I got back.

*shrug*

Anyways, Andres' lynch write up indicates that he was probably still a cultist, since IIRC 'khaan said only neutrals would have different write ups.

So who's liking the idea of Andres being a cult bodyguard? That is, he couldn't actually protect other people in general, he just got to die in place of his cult leader/allies. Not a guarantee but worth a look into.

That's quite a plausible idea, because the only other rationale I can think of at the moment for having a cultist being able to protect is that recruiting takes more than one attempt or something so he's there to make sure the recruit doesn't die in the process, wasting effort and time.

Edit: Or maybe we are overthinking it and things like that are just how 'khaan manifests his love to confuse townie networks (I mean, if people think you are a protector, that's like a VIP entry card into the network)

Or perhaps that plus more practical reasons.

**Major Robert Dump** · 08-20-2011, 10:51

I have a special ability the town may be interested in, but saying it out loud will be a death sentence from the cults. PMs please.

**White_eyes:D** · 08-20-2011, 10:56

Originally Posted by Earthling

It's the writeup with the one "seduction" that is not a kill but something else, one of a couple unknown events in the writeups. People said white_eyes (and you're unknown/scum) was a vote changer so there was a theory that the writeup indicated white_eyes doing something.

Clever "people" or well-informed "people" I wonder.

Anyway, I am almost 100% sure town is going to win this...unless Andres comes back from that lynch.

**Beskar** · 08-20-2011, 13:45

It looks like my theory is correct, the reviver is infact an independent / cult leader and by the sounds of it, it isn't Ishtar (since he says he was part of that one, but now with another).

So General, are you willing to confess your sins?

**Askthepizzaguy** · 08-20-2011, 14:30

Interesting.

I actually have something to add to this, but I can't because I am dead.

Ummm just take some guesses. You'll figure it out.

**Beskar** · 08-20-2011, 14:39

The question I wonder, did Andres "choose" to defend GH, or was he forced into it? For example, GH has a special misdirect which then kills Andres, and then GH raises him from the dead to serve as his loyal minion.

The alternative is that Andres was infact a defender originally and a self-confessed Cultist, does this mean GH is the cult leader?

The third one is that Andres randomly defended some one, ie: GH and then died. Because a protector would obviously be useful to a cult leader/Scummy Mc Scum, they revived Andres to serve as a bodyguard for them and GH is just some random person dragged in by association.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 08-20-2011, 17:36

I've already told my side of the story, there's really nothing else I can add.

**Andres** · 08-21-2011, 09:20

It is interesting to see how people automatically assume that the cults are necessarily playing against town.

As I stated prior to my lynching, Ishtar never contacted me personally. I didn't get orders to protect a certain player, didn't gain an ability to kill, didn't get orders to vote a certain player. Nada. Also note that the lady who appears to convert in the write-ups hasn't been seen killing. Note also that, allthough conversions have been made, the night kills didn't go up significantly, on the contrary.

So where this whole "he's a member of a cult, ergo scum" comes from, is a mystery to me.

I expect to see more kills than last night in the following write-up.

**TheLastDays** · 08-21-2011, 09:27

Well Mr. Andres, the writeup of your lynch doesn't really support your view of the whole story.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 08-21-2011, 18:55

Originally Posted by TheLastDays

Well Mr. Andres, the writeup of your lynch doesn't really support your view of the whole story.

You and Andres got something going on, I can tell. You can't get enough of each other.

**seireikhaan** · 08-22-2011, 00:48

Sheltered in his house, Yaropolk felt a sense of calm at last. He'd not been attacked in quite a while, it seemed. He'd barred the doors for the night, as usual. He sat in the corner cross-legged, and rested with his back to the wall. He closed his eyes. A thunderous cracking sound shot his eyes wide open. The door had been splintered in half, from top right to the bottom left. Yaropolk panicked for a second, scanning about, but realizing the only exit lay before him, filled by a large human wielding an enormous axe. "You have no place in my world," the man claimed. "I will rid it of all the foul creatures which have infested it."

He quickly rushed forward and swung his mighty axe in a left-swinging arc. Yaropolk managed to slide under it, and attempted to maneuver around his attacker. But the man turned on a heel and swung his axe down, catching Yaropolk's ankle and smashing it to splinters. Yaropolk planted to the ground in agony, screaming in pain. The man looked down at the doomed victim, and held his axe high for a final blow.

But he shifted his eyes away, and rolled to the left as a stream of fire entered in through the vacant doorway. A roaring flame caught the back wall of the residence, and erupted in a magnificent blaze. The man immediately hurtled himself at the front wall, and tore a hole through it with his axe and tumbled out. He gathered himself up to see a tall, ominous individual cloaked in an aura of fire glancing almost lazily over in his direction. They stared at each other for a few seconds, to the sound of the inferno steadily encroaching on the rest of the house. As the house collapsed under a weak frame, the man roared with fury that shook the remaining frame. He charged the dark attacker, axe held aloft. The attack was met with its opponents blade, drawn so fast the man couldn't see it done. The blade sliced straight through the haft of the axe, letting the head fall lamely to the ground. The man staggered back in shock.

"How? This... this isn't possible! You cannot defeat me! This land is mine, not the realm of godly spirits or demonic agents! Men shall know their own realm, and rule it by their own providence!"

"Hah," the dark attacker scoffed. "Can't you see the truth, even when it's right before your eyes? Men let themselves fall to a usurper. You deserve whatever fate befalls you. You can't defeat me. You can't even hurt me." As he finished his sentence, he immediately launched himself at the man, who was too slow to react and found the dark attacker behind him, one hand holding his left arm, the other with a black blade held to his throat. The heat from the aura was intense, but the man cared not. "Now, bow," the dark attacker commanded. The man scowled and held his ground. "I said, bow!" he commanded again, this time delivering a kick the back of the man's knee, causing his legs to buckle. "Now, no worries," he said with a small wink. "I'll see you soon." With that, he jerked his wrist and severed GeneralHankerchief's head cleanly.

Alive: 18

Autolycus
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Johnhughthom
Glyphz
Khazaar
Major Robert Dump
Riedquat
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs
Zack

Killed: 14

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)

Lynched: 8

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)

WoK: 1

SoulBlade

**White_eyes:D** · 08-22-2011, 02:26

Just figured I would put this out there...

Originally Posted by GH

I'm sorry Andres died to protect me, he obviously had a role and I'm not anything special. That said, I wouldn't mind it if I continued to receive protection for the rest of the game..

Anybody who bought that was looking at an axe in the head.

And now my job is done till the endgame.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 08-22-2011, 02:37

Eh.

**White_eyes:D** · 08-22-2011, 02:45

I don't know why you said that though....that's like a drop of blood in a pool of sharks. You just don't say that.

Wait till the game is over and then you can see why I was acting the way I was, GH.

**Earthling** · 08-22-2011, 02:55

Well, great job by Axeguy and Cultguy with their refusal to work with the town and constant rants against even a hypothetical town network. We should still come out of this with a victory and if they weren't strictly against the town they only cost themselves.

Moving on, Zack and TLD are good lynches today. Zack really needs to give a public explanation of why he survived the attack on him at the least, perhaps he had provided one to some people in private but we don't have any known, trustable people left alive to vouch for his private explanation. So he'll have to make his case public if he has one.

edit- actually there's still glyphz who we could be pretty sure is not with the mafia, but I doubt Zack would have privately role-revealed to glyphz anyway and that doesn't clear up cult leads or third party things at this point either.

**Zack** · 08-22-2011, 03:07

Originally Posted by Earthling

Well, great job by Axeguy and Cultguy with their refusal to work with the town and constant rants against even a hypothetical town network. We should still come out of this with a victory and if they weren't strictly against the town they only cost themselves.

Moving on, Zack and TLD are good lynches today. Zack really needs to give a public explanation of why he survived the attack on him at the least, perhaps he had provided one to some people in private but we don't have any known, trustable people left alive to vouch for his private explanation. So he'll have to make his case public if he has one.

edit- actually there's still glyphz who we could be pretty sure is not with the mafia, but I doubt Zack would have privately role-revealed to glyphz anyway and that doesn't clear up cult leads or third party things at this point either.

I've already explained my survival in this thread; if you chose to ignore it, that is your problem, not mine.

**Earthling** · 08-22-2011, 03:16

Then as a heads up you kinda need to make sure you've satisfied the living townies with your defense, rather than worrying about whatever you thought you convinced me of or not, because they are the ones who would be lynching you.

**Zack** · 08-22-2011, 03:23

Vote: choxorn

Following from yesterday.

Originally Posted by Earthling

Then as a heads up you kinda need to make sure you've satisfied the living townies with your defense, rather than worrying about whatever you thought you convinced me of or not, because they are the ones who would be lynching you.

You and Andre are the only ones who have been accusing me. Neither of you are living townies; ergo, I am not going to worry over satisfying the living townies with an unnecessary defense, as it has already been made clear in the thread.

**Beskar** · 08-22-2011, 03:56

My suspect was night killed... so... yeah. It is 4am at the moment, I will make a new case in the morning if anything comes up that looks interesting from my notes (which are on other computer).

**Riedquat** · 08-22-2011, 07:03

Autolycus, Captain Blackadder and Khazaar... I would like to know more from them... I don't remember when was the last time I've read something from them.

Reading night 3 writeup atm...

**TheLastDays** · 08-22-2011, 07:53

Originally Posted by issaikhaan

"Now, no worries," he said with a small wink. "I'll see you soon."

Now this kinda confirms my thoughts that Hades is making a reappearance.

Alright. Axeguy is dead which is a good thing, I think. Hades (just going to call him that for now, unless someone else comes up with evidence that it's probably some other deity) is left and he's no weird third party or anything, he'll just be plain old Mafia and we need to figure out who's been Mafia all game because that guy hasn'T been converted or whatever else might have happened to characters over the rest of the game.

vote: Chaotix

I still think that he hasn't given decent explanation to GH's case against him and while GH was probably third party he was probably against the Mafia and therefore his case was valid.

**Choxorn** · 08-22-2011, 09:00

You know, Zack, I'd have to say you had a point: I should probably have followed up on johnhughthom. Maybe I would have caught some of these things sooner:

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