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    Well, what do we have? Keep in mind that this is just the place their vote was in the end of the day, not accounting for vote changes and I didn't double check with the thread in all cases, only when the tally seemed wron (i.e. having two votes by the same player or a player voting themselves).

    bold are players who got lynched that day
    red are players who got later attacked by one of the killers we've identified as Mafia (Valkyrie, Bronze scale/Sabre, Green Man, Hades)

    Autolycus:
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    Day 1: not voting
    Day 2: Romanic (N5)
    Day 3: not voting
    Day 4: not voting
    Day 5: White_Eyes:D
    Day 6: not voting
    Day 7: DiamondEye
    Day 8: not voting
    Day 9: Zack


    I don't see much there. Lots of inactivity and, honestly, if I see another Kage-like Mafia I just won't count it as a victory in my head... Voted to lynch WhiteEyes who might have been scum but he was late on the wagon so possible bussing. Have to keep him in mind, I guess. I suggest lynching him soon if we don't have a good suspect. Don't want the lurkers around for endgame.



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    Day 1: TheLastDays
    Day 2: GodEmperor
    Day 3: not voting
    Day 4: Beskar
    Day 5: not voting
    Day 6: Renata
    Day 7: not voting
    Day 8: Andres
    Day 9: Zack


    Little bloodthirsty. Voting to lynch Renata and Andres during a phase where he himself stated he'll be on vacation and thus not having time to catch up so at best that's blind wagoning. Day 4 (self vote) he was never in danger. But overall I don't get very scummy vibes from him.



    Captain Blackadder:
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    Day 1: not voting
    Day 2: GodEmperor
    Day 3: Double A
    Day 4: not voting
    Day 5: not voting
    Day 6: Renata
    Day 7: not voting
    Day 8: not voting
    Day 9: TheLastDays


    Another lurker, what I said about auto pretty much applies here. Possible bussing on the insanely huge GE-wagon. What's to note about both auto and him is that both have missed five votes overall and are thus, by the rules, wog-eligible but since it applies to both and I doubt that both are scum it probably means nothing.



    Chaotix:
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    Day 1: fluffy
    Day 2: Believer (N7)
    Day 3: glyphz
    Day 4: glyphz
    Day 5: Earthling
    Day 6: GeneralHankerchief (N9)
    Day 7: glyphz
    Day 8: Andres
    Day 9: Zack


    Pretty safe votes until the last two rounds and you can't avoid lynching people once the endgame draws near. GH and DiY died after accusing him but, as he has wifomed pointed out himself, that could well be a framing attempt. Still my top suspect. Jeez, we really have bad cases for this point of the game.



    Choxorn:
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    Day 1: GeneralHankerchief (N9)
    Day 2: not voting
    Day 3: TheLastDays
    Day 4: TheLastDays
    Day 5: johnhughthom
    Day 6: not voting
    Day 7: glyphz
    Day 8: Warman
    Day 9: Zack


    That's a lot of jumping around and very safe voting, other than trying to get me lynched two times none of his targets were in real danger, even glyphz, who was a suspect for long, wasn't really a candidate on Day 7. Only participated in the lynch of Zack, who was probably not Mafia after all. Well, it's something.



    classical_hero:
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    Day 1: DiamondEye
    Day 2: GodEmperor
    Day 3: not voting
    Day 4: Zack
    Day 5: Chatoix
    Day 6: Choxorn
    Day 7: DiamondEye
    Day 8: Warman
    Day 9: not voting


    Same as above, lots of safe votes, even more so than Choxorns. Only paticipated in the GE-lynch and nearly everyone did.



    dcmort93:
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    Day 1: woad&fangs
    Day 2: woad&fangs
    Day 3: glyphz
    Day 4: glyphz
    Day 5: White_Eyes:D
    Day 6: glyphz
    Day 7: not voting
    Day 8: not voting
    Day 9: abstain


    Only lynched WE, but his votes were on stronger suspects and he followed up on his targets. IIRC glyphz was close to get lynched D6 and he was definitely close on D3. Disappeared over the last few rounds. Not one of my top suspects but someone to keep an eye on still.



    DiamondEye:
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    Day 1: Arjos
    Day 2: TheLastDays
    Day 3: Double A
    Day 4: woad&fangs
    Day 5: White_Eyes:D
    Day 6: glyphz
    Day 7: Seon
    Day 8: not voting
    Day 9: Chatoix


    He jumped around a lot too. Supporting me, kind of, on Day 1, when lynching Arjos, then voting me on day 2. Not following up on any of his suspects, claims business over the last few rounds and, given that he stated it on several other threads I tend to believe it, under the code of sportsmanship. Still, it doesn't take a lot of time to place a safe vote and send in a kill order at night. Not a top suspect either though.



    johnhughthom:
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    Day 1: Riedquat
    Day 2: GodEmperor
    Day 3: fluffy
    Day 4: Askthepizzaguy
    Day 5: White_Eyes:D
    Day 6: Renata
    Day 7: Diamondeye
    Day 8: Andres
    Day 9: not voting


    Well, way too bloodthirsty to be Mafia, methinks. His overall playstyle this game doesn't look scummy to me either. Compared it with The Campground where he participated in only one lynch that wasn't forced (one other was a tiebreaker and another one was the second to last round where there were no other options). I think he'd be more careful as Mafia but someone who knows him better could probably comment on this.



    glyphz:
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    Day 1: TheLastDays
    Day 2: GodEmperor
    Day 3: Believer (N7)
    Day 4: glyphz
    Day 5: White_Eyes:D
    Day 6: Renata
    Day 7: not voting
    Day 8: not voting
    Day 9: Zack


    Well, honestly, I don't believe that glyphz is Mafia. And if he is and has the balls to leave his vote on someone not even close to the lead when he is tied for the lynch with fluffy and votes himself on another day where he was a strong candidate, leaving the vote on himseld, he derserves the win.



    Major Robert Dump:
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    Day 1: -
    Day 2: -
    Day 3: -
    Day 4: -
    Day 5: -
    Day 6: -
    Day 7: -
    Day 8: not voting
    Day 9: abstain


    Replacement. Came in after Hades started killing so it's almost impossible he is Hades. The others are hopefully dead. If they aren't there's a slight possiblity that he's replaced an inactive scum player but then why isn't he killing? Maybe after the "activation" Riedquat just mentioned only Hades can kill? Needs some looking into, still I doubt he's Mafia.



    Riedquat:
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    Day 1: johnhughthom
    Day 2: GodEmperor
    Day 3: TheLastDays
    Day 4: TheLastDays
    Day 5: TheLastDays
    Day 6: Renata
    Day 7: Seon
    Day 8: Andres
    Day 9: Zack


    Good followup, even if it was on me. A little bloodthirsty as well but I don't know his usual playstyle so I got nothing to compare it to. If we are correct about Pizza and WE being scum it's noteworthy that he avoided these wagong while he wagoned pretty much everyone else.



    Warman:
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    Day 1: not voting
    Day 2: GodEmperor
    Day 3: Double A
    Day 4: Askthepizzaguy
    Day 5: Earthling
    Day 6: TheLastDays
    Day 7: not voting
    Day 8: Andres
    Day 9: Chaotix


    Honestly, wtf? THis is such a schizophrenic voting pattern, I'm not even halfway through analysing that. Anyone got more thoughts on him, be my guest.



    woad&fangs:
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    Day 1: B_Ray (N2)
    Day 2: woad&fangs
    Day 3: glyphz
    Day 4: Askthepizzaguy
    Day 5: White_Eyes:D
    Day 6: not voting
    Day 7: Andres
    Day 8: Andres
    Day 9: Zack


    Pretty bloodthirsty too but some following up and overall I don't get much scum vibes from him. B_Ray died N2, right after voting him on D1, might be a framing attemplt, I doubt that it was him. Still have to keep an eye on him.



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    I don't have a playing-style yet, first game ever! ;)
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    What about you, TLD?

    Be a dear and show us your own votes so we can make role judgements about you.

    I really don't intend to die today. I am on the verge of mopping this game up pretty quick and finding the scum, but I can't do it if I'm dead. You guys lynch me and you have to find the scum based on analysis alone, which, judging by your choice today, isn't doing you any favors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotix View Post
    I really don't intend to die today. I am on the verge of mopping this game up pretty quick and finding the scum, but I can't do it if I'm dead. You guys lynch me and you have to find the scum based on analysis alone, which, judging by your choice today, isn't doing you any favors.
    This isn't going to get you out of hot water anytime soon. If you can prove you're a non-mafia neutral role you need more of a reveal to just do that or people will be after you again tomorrow even if not today.

    Meanwhile, so few people really are voting, that's a disappointment. I think it's only six.

    So given those numbers you could get out of the lynch today if you had something good to say before tomorrow, depends on the mercy of the living folks though. I'm thinking we've had enough of neutrals who want to go down with the ship and try to take the town with them this game.

    My recommendation if you want to try for a wagon that townies could do on a real suspect instead of you put your vote on Diamondeye. Besides the pointless Seon lynch, Diamondeye placed several votes that were both significant and terrible but didn't show up in the end of day tallies above as he changed them, and has strong ties to possible dead scum like Renata, Zack, and Andres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling View Post
    This isn't going to get you out of hot water anytime soon. If you can prove you're a non-mafia neutral role you need more of a reveal to just do that or people will be after you again tomorrow even if not today.

    Meanwhile, so few people really are voting, that's a disappointment. I think it's only six.

    So given those numbers you could get out of the lynch today if you had something good to say before tomorrow, depends on the mercy of the living folks though. I'm thinking we've had enough of neutrals who want to go down with the ship and try to take the town with them this game.

    My recommendation if you want to try for a wagon that townies could do on a real suspect instead of you put your vote on Diamondeye. Besides the pointless Seon lynch, Diamondeye placed several votes that were both significant and terrible but didn't show up in the end of day tallies above as he changed them, and has strong ties to possible dead scum like Renata, Zack, and Andres.
    I'm not a neutral at all.

    I was working with Yaropolk before he died, and far as I can tell he trusted me. In the event that he died, he gave me a keyword to contact the doctor with. I know now that you are the doctor, Earthling, so I didn't need to give it then since you couldn't contact me. But Yaropolk told me to say, "I miss Fluffy already, it's dull without him." Is that sufficient for you, Earthling? I'd rather not reveal any more if I can help it. I'm likely already to be targeted by the mafia for this.

    If you think Diamondeye is truly scummy, I'll go with that. Unvote, Vote: Diamondeye
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotix View Post
    What about you, TLD?

    Be a dear and show us your own votes so we can make role judgements about you.

    I really don't intend to die today. I am on the verge of mopping this game up pretty quick and finding the scum, but I can't do it if I'm dead. You guys lynch me and you have to find the scum based on analysis alone, which, judging by your choice today, isn't doing you any favors.
    Please do yourself and the town a favour and give up the important information to someone in private. In this case I would say 2, since there's only 1 killer left, so even in the worst case scenario, it should be publically known post mortem.

    You're basically screaming KILL ME, KILL ME TONIGHT BEFORE I REVEAL with that post. And that's not scummy at all is it?
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    Vote MRD

    I agree people who get replaced after there has being woggs are most likely to be scum. However there is still a small chance he could be a major pro town role.


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    Enough people not voting, I'm extending the round 12 hours.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastDays View Post
    Yes, I'm sure it's a good strategy to lynch those alive players that are actively scumhunting
    Aside of the fact you used the eye-rolling emote (where's Pizza when you need him? :P), this post is dripping in scummy WIFOM.

    I'm sure that you remember Music Mafia, TLD; Romanic fabricated scanning results and made it look like he was scum-hunting with his posts... and I'm sure you remember how he got away with it despite my posthumous calls for his head. Naturally, looking like you're actively scum-hunting is the perfect masque for a mafioso to use, so using that to defend yourself isn't going to wash, with me at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secura View Post
    Aside of the fact you used the eye-rolling emote (where's Pizza when you need him? :P), this post is dripping in scummy WIFOM.

    I'm sure that you remember Music Mafia, TLD; Romanic fabricated scanning results and made it look like he was scum-hunting with his posts... and I'm sure you remember how he got away with it despite my posthumous calls for his head. Naturally, looking like you're actively scum-hunting is the perfect masque for a mafioso to use, so using that to defend yourself isn't going to wash, with me at least.
    The case was WIFOM. How can I come up with a non-WIFOM defense to a WIFOM case?

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    TheLastDays

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    Day 1: Arjos
    Day 2: Earthling
    Day 3: Fluffy
    Day 4: Atpg
    Day 5: Earthling
    Day 6: Renata
    Day 7: w&f
    Day 8: no vote
    Day 9: Zack


    This is really.... scummy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riedquat View Post
    TheLastDays

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    Day 1: Arjos
    Day 2: Earthling
    Day 3: Fluffy
    Day 4: Atpg
    Day 5: Earthling
    Day 6: Renata
    Day 7: w&f
    Day 8: no vote
    Day 9: Zack


    This is really.... scummy
    How so? I think he's scummy too but you'll have to explain why that vote pattern makes him scummy besides "this is really.... scummy."

    Personally, I still think john's scummy, so here's a Pressure Vote: johnhughthom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choxorn View Post
    How so? I think he's scummy too but you'll have to explain why that vote pattern makes him scummy besides "this is really.... scummy.
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    Really choxorn, or do you figure your vote can't change the lynch today and just staying out of the way? john voted for just about every possible mafia player we lynched, in several cases quite close votes. Thinking he's "scummy" doesn't cut it, you might have some case where you think he's neutral/third party, but even then, not great reasons being given.

    I do have to give TLD credit for one thing on the voting records which I hadn't looked at much before and it's in his favor. He did vote for Renata and he voted earlier enough that his vote made a difference on the bandwagon.

    If Renata was scum that's big, and since she couldn't have been town and was directly lying to us about her role and abilities it's hard to believe she didn't have the equivalent of "the town must lose for you to win" somewhere in her Role PM.

    What is curious to me is that earlier he was saying he personally didn't think Renata was a dead mafia, maybe only neutral. Not only is there reason to dispute the conclusion but the one vote of TLD's that could be solid pro-town evidence he's not exactly standing by.

    So we have some open questions like that, similarly whether white_eyes was scum. If he was, then we hopefully should have it with Chaotix here, finish off that obvious connection and catch the last scum. If not, then I'd abandon the theory of white_eyes as scum and look at Renata + associates (still GE of course).
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    I think it is pretty safe that both Renata and Andres were scum (in a not town capacity) since their deaths hinted as such.

    Though I am curious about this Choatix-keyword thing, but it would rely on Yaropolk coming forward since I doubt the mentioned doctor would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling View Post
    Really choxorn, or do you figure your vote can't change the lynch today and just staying out of the way? john voted for just about every possible mafia player we lynched, in several cases quite close votes. Thinking he's "scummy" doesn't cut it, you might have some case where you think he's neutral/third party, but even then, not great reasons being given.
    I'm a bit out of it, I don't know a lot of what's going on. I know that Diamondeye, Chaotix, and a bunch of other people are "scummy" but I don't know why, and I don't know how everyone like you keeps figuring out that some people must be neutral or whatever.

    Thinking "he's scummy" and looking at what's happened in-thread so far is all I have to go on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling View Post
    I do have to give TLD credit for one thing on the voting records which I hadn't looked at much before and it's in his favor. He did vote for Renata and he voted earlier enough that his vote made a difference on the bandwagon.

    If Renata was scum that's big, and since she couldn't have been town and was directly lying to us about her role and abilities it's hard to believe she didn't have the equivalent of "the town must lose for you to win" somewhere in her Role PM.

    What is curious to me is that earlier he was saying he personally didn't think Renata was a dead mafia, maybe only neutral. Not only is there reason to dispute the conclusion but the one vote of TLD's that could be solid pro-town evidence he's not exactly standing by.
    I'm fully standing by all my votes. What I meant is, that I'm not sure Renata is part of the four people Mafia, Hades, sabre lady, valkyrie and green man. I think she was some anti town third party from her behaviour.

    We have a tie, right? I don't like this at all, because I think of the remaining players Chaotix is the scummiest. Now, even though Earthling didn't confirm it, he obviously reacted to that fluffy-lin that Chaotix posted, so I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm gonna hate myself and you if you screw us now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riedquat View Post
    I don't have a playing-style yet, first game ever! ;)
    Oh cool. I was scum in my first game. FoS: Riedquat

    Thanks for doing my votes I was close to doing them myself but then I got lazy. Chaotix, what do you mean by mopping this game up? I really don't like these "I need one more night guys than my super awesome pro-town powers will pay off"-claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastDays View Post
    Thanks for doing my votes I was close to doing them myself but then I got lazy.
    Posted 2 hours after the whole list, no one is raising an eyebrow here?
    Last edited by Arjos; 08-26-2011 at 10:53.

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