Really choxorn, or do you figure your vote can't change the lynch today and just staying out of the way? john voted for just about every possible mafia player we lynched, in several cases quite close votes. Thinking he's "scummy" doesn't cut it, you might have some case where you think he's neutral/third party, but even then, not great reasons being given.

I do have to give TLD credit for one thing on the voting records which I hadn't looked at much before and it's in his favor. He did vote for Renata and he voted earlier enough that his vote made a difference on the bandwagon.

If Renata was scum that's big, and since she couldn't have been town and was directly lying to us about her role and abilities it's hard to believe she didn't have the equivalent of "the town must lose for you to win" somewhere in her Role PM.

What is curious to me is that earlier he was saying he personally didn't think Renata was a dead mafia, maybe only neutral. Not only is there reason to dispute the conclusion but the one vote of TLD's that could be solid pro-town evidence he's not exactly standing by.

So we have some open questions like that, similarly whether white_eyes was scum. If he was, then we hopefully should have it with Chaotix here, finish off that obvious connection and catch the last scum. If not, then I'd abandon the theory of white_eyes as scum and look at Renata + associates (still GE of course).