Really the town as a whole is very close and I think we'll still get it. An awful lot of townies deserves a ton of credit for many past successes and even the vanillas who did everything they could to provide votes on key past lynches or the votes we need at the end here have earned it.

It's not that I plan to give up on explaining possibilities and passing on to the town as much as I can within the rules, it's that I don't feel like I'm helping that much by repeating info or causing clutter.

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I still think TLD can't be a vanilla townie. And if he's not, the town are fully justified in lynching him. The problem is, yes, I can see a possibility for him not being with the main mafia group either. It just might not be worth fighting against the grain, the town always neeoilds to avoid even worse possible vote swings after all and

It does bother me that the most rational, Bayesian outlook here would say that lynching TLD isn't the optimal move for a townie victory. But it's what everybody wants, including me. With the same crowd that would opt to keep Loki alive because it's funny even though we'll lose to the Jotun, and a dozen things in a dozen other games, it's safe to say no one would want to see TLD survive as some other neutral/cult/third party after the town endures such a disastrously scummy performance. More "efficient" to save the TLD lynch for one or two days, as if he's the last scum left it still wouldn't matter - maybe, but it's tough to call such an option.


Here's something slightly more productive, townies in general or interested people can read it:
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A lot of the still living people in general have definitely been failing to give their opinions on who was already scum, which should be the most important evidence of all if we can get it right, lacking actual reveals. We lynched people, mafia killers disappeared from the writeups, we have to all agree on that.

And pizza I don't see how you couldn't give your opinions on this by the rules too, if you do it as based on the writeups, that could help the town if you're interested and should be free of you spoiling anything.

So actually, if anyone else is changing votes, making a new vote, etc... it would be great if you could give your thoughts on the general status we're at, and with today's lynch the following statement. This is information in the voting record or theories already referenced before, and is really the heart of the matter.

Hypothesis:
TLD can't be with the main mafia because he voted against Renata, who was a member of the main mafia.

If you disagree with the conclusion on Renata this whole dilemma is ridiculously easy and you've probably stopped reading my posts by now. That's ok.

My problem is I personally believe it's more likely Renata was mafia than a couple others like white_eyes or fluffy. And that just can't be reconciled with TLD being mafia. Even though he's ridiculously scummy and I agree I want him gone. So then the lynch of TLD won't be a game winner, when we get some other evil neutral guy we just need to make sure things don't collapse in the follow up on other cases.