Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[Beskar]

If you are not personally part of the cult you have no reason to vote Chaotix here. There's no real evidence against him.

That's not true, there is evidence against him, but it is mostly all suspect, and that is how a mafia game works. The problem is, there is more case against Chaotix than anyone else, you could just say "Vote off Warman, he isn't a good player" but then that is not really a real reason for him to be scum, it is a case of "Chaotix is the better player".

And Chaotix is a very good player, he would be very smart if he is scum. He would know what was against him, or a good idea and he knows how to play it into his advantage. My argument against him is more based on what a player at his skill level would do in his situation, he would be very crafty and my argument against him is based on his ruthlessness and intelligence, sort of a "If I was in Chaotix's position, what would I do?".

There would be no way to ever find out Chaotix is truely pro-town and same for him being mafia either, he is not a bad player and there is nothing in the game which would prove him for what he is or what he isn't.

Fact is, there is a great bunch of circumstances which are pointing it at being towards Chaotix. You might struggle to see it, I cannot really help you understand my logic more than I already said, I am not as eloquent as some one like AskthePizzaGuy.

If I am wrong, I am wrong. I cannot really change that, but i am completely oblivious to who else it could realistically be. At last hours before the write-up, I was "The Last Days" as my number 1, and "Classical_Hero" as my number 2, since having two pro-town's at this point might be a bit fishy. What made it swap to Chaotix is how Classical was adamant he was a power-role, the reviver and couldn't be recruited because he is a 'god'. Being honest, I don't know if he is or not, but assume that he was telling the truth at that moment of time, then he ends up recruited by the cult, this changes the situation.

Only people so far who couldn't be recruited were two confirmed scums. Chaotix is a third one which couldn't, but the argument was is was a god. Now Classical_Hero, another God got recruited by the cult...

I think we can easily do it this way, the cult would obviously be reading this, so if I am incorrect, I am sure they will pull-rank on Classical_Hero and kill him off as well. Then with both of them missing, we end up playing the game of "Lets randomly lynch people till the scum is dead".

[Earthling]

The problem is, there is more case against Chaotix than anyone else

There are people still alive who defended and placed votes to support known scum God Emperor and very likely scum Renata. That's better evidence.

"If I was in Chaotix's position, what would I do?".

If he was scum, he certainly wouldn't kill off suspicious townies and guarantee he automatically gets lynched by the cult. How can you possibly think Hades is a complete outsider who cannot infiltrate the cult? If Hades was not already a member of the cult, he would be killing cultists which would be his only way to avoid an automatic loss.

Only people so far who couldn't be recruited were two confirmed scums.

The problem is this isn't true. One of them at least was clearly a neutral who only opposed this cult in an independent way.

Then with both of them missing, we end up playing the game of "Lets randomly lynch people till the scum is dead".

Yes, and it's insane to purposefully kill off townies first so you can then start that game. woad&fangs lynch was bad enough as he did kinda imply he was cult himself but townies need to place useful votes.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Aren't you glad you didn't lynch TLD now?

I'm just happy I wasn't wasting my breath.

Get Hades, or else I'll be really upset with yall.

[Earthling]

Every indication is that lynching woad&fangs was worse, and several other past lynches it would have been better to have another townie not die in place of TLD.

The cult is claiming you were a cultist, any thoughts on that?

If Chaotix is lynched today any townies left might as well give up and lynch randomly, they won't have the votes to prevent the cult's failed voting strategy against Hades nor any further evidence to go on.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Every indication is that lynching woad&fangs was worse, and several other past lynches it would have been better to have another townie not die in place of TLD.

He's dead now. So that just saved you from lynching him, and it spared everyone else who was more valuable to the town.

You lost this point. This point is MINE.

The cult is claiming you were a cultist, any thoughts on that?

Sure, I have thoughts on that. Except I'm dead.

My loyalty has always been to the town. Revive me and I'll say more. Otherwise, leave me dead. I've said everything I know of which will assist the town. All I had info on was TLD, he's dead now. Therefore I have no further info, and I've saved you from one terrible lynch.

I've done my duty to the town. Now you guys must lynch Hades.

Further debate about myself and TLD is pointless, focus on Hades.

[Earthling]

Further debate about myself and TLD is pointless, focus on Hades.

If TLD was lynched and anyone else killed at night than w&f or Chaotix, the town would be better off. Losing woad&fangs as a townie was absolutely worse than lynching TLD would have been.

Knowing what you were is important to determining what the writeups indicate. Your death showed you were not a townie, if you were cult it helps us determine who else was cult based on independent evidence.

Chaotix is not Hades and the evidence for that is better than any evidence you ever had about anyone. So get talking to people about that if you really want people to pursue Hades.

[Beskar]

The cult claims all members retain their normal victory conditions, such townies are still townies, as the cults victory conditions (get rid of the mafia, etc) is the same as the towns. So Pizza invited to the cult would still retain his township, and thus, he would still be working in the interests of the town regardless of that.

Edit:
Major Robert Dump gave us more information on that here:

My goal, according to my cult PM, is to eliminate the mafia and keep the cult alive.

[Choxorn]

Only people so far who couldn't be recruited were two confirmed scums. Chaotix is a third one which couldn't, but the argument was is was a god. Now Classical_Hero, another God got recruited by the cult...

Confirmed by what?