Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[Death is yonder]

Also, look at this answer, by our little new cult friend. He avoids tackling the real questions and gives some generic answers to irrelevant points. Scummy.

Well, for starters I happen to be dead, and I even helpfully stated that:

In any case, these are questions you should be asking people who can provide information.

Ishtar claims she never knew she was a 'cult recruiter'

If you flip to the first page about the rules, notice that 'khaan says that some roles will have secret abilities which they may discover. I fail to see why it is hard to believe.

DiY is obviously a cultist who has been sent out to make sure what they want you to do is done.

Sent out? No. I've always found that the most convincing way around something is to post genuinely how I would perceive a situation if I was a townie. If they didn't claim I was a cultist, you would have felt that my arguments (while perhaps in your opinion slightly flawed) would have made sense.

All in all, the only thing stopping you from accepting what's going on, is a misconception based on the stereotypical impression of what a cult is. I would have posted the exact same way from back when I was still a townie.

You can't just infiltrate a pro-town network that is based on players talking. The host can't force players to send PMs to other players or compromise their login accounts, maybe you could secretly forward any quicktopic players create to the mafia team but no host ever does that and that wouldn't even be relevant here.

Stop being a lying scumbag.

So I'm lying that an infiltration of the pro-town network would be more beneficial to the mafia than infiltration of a cult? Is that what I'm lying about Earthling? Everyone asks what's in it for the cult, I would suppose from a speculative point of view that the result could be a victory to a stronger degree (lets say major victory vs minor victory) but a victory nevertheless for a town that can't win by itself but don't quote me on that.

And the underlined section in the quote doesn't really make sense, players could create the QT independently of the host and just provide him with the link, it would be greatly relevant here because the mafia would have at least partial access to town's plans. I mean if the infiltrator gets asked to target someone with lets say a role block (I'm using Chaotix's ability because its the most relevant), then the mafia team would know who isn't the pro-town roles. As opposed to say investigation, where it might be the case where you investigate these fellows in the network to make sure they aren't scum.

That's just why I think Chaotix's ability is contrived and also very convenient.

In any case, Chaotix has been lynched, and looking at his write up for answers would just be silly. If he's mafia as suspected all along, 'khaan probably isn't going to give any clues which is going to make the write up differ any bit from a townie lynch (as evidenced by GE lynch), and for all we know, he might just not be the last mafia.

[Earthling]

In any case, Chaotix has been lynched, and looking at his write up for answers would just be silly.

We're guaranteed to get a reveal of whether he's Hades or not. Nice cultist deflection.

[seireikhaan]

"Now, I think I promised you a grand finale, didn't I?" the old man asked. The young girl's eyes lit up. "Yeah, like ten years ago granpa!" He chuckled a bit. "Now, I won't promise this is the last chapter of this tale, but....

When they got back together for the morning, only to discover another had fallen during the night. It didn't take long before a movement to set Chaotix before their lord picked up steam. A number of the group claimed contact with a religious cult to another god, and that she had discovered him to be abnormally powerful. Despite his protests, a great majority seemed that this was better than any other lead. When the bell was rung, and Chaotix was plainly the choice of the crowd, they ushered him forth. He gave them a glare, swatted their hands away, and walked up to the steps before the throne himself.

'Chaotix, kneel.' Mainyu commanded.

'No."

'What?!' Mainyu hissed. The crowd ushered themselves forward and surrounded Chaotix in a semi-circle. 'Do. As. I. Command!" Mainyu bellowed.

'No. No more of this. No more secrecy. No more pretending. The rest have fallen. Not surprising, I suppose, as weak as they were.' Chaotix raised his hands to the sky, and a flash temporarily blinded the room. Chaotix stood before everyone, an aura of white fire pulsing around him. The crowd staggered backwards, most visibly shaken. 'We will settle this, Mainyu. This land, the heavens, the netherworld. None of it belongs to you. How could it, when it is mine?'

'Everyone else,' Mainyu spoke with barely contained rage. Do not assist. I shall show you who the true Emperor is.'

A small storm of red lightning began to whirl around Mainyu, who held out his right hand. A wooden staff materialized in it, adorned with a brilliant red gem at its rounded end. Chaotix withdrew a sword from a sheath at his belt, a long, black, curved blade. The two stood about twenty feet away from each other, glaring, hatred in their eyes.

Chaotix made the first move, moving up the steps so fast it seemed he flew. In an instant he was in front of Mainyu. He sliced in an upwards motion, which Mainyu dodged with a sidestep to his left. Mainyu swung the butt of the staff in a short motion, delivering it to Chaotix' midsection. With a grunt, Chaotix lurched back for a second, before launching another strike with his sword in a leftward motion. Mainyu danced backwards to avoid the strike.

The crowd watched in a mixture of awe and confusion as the two battled. It was difficult to tell what was happening, as Mainyu's red lightning aura clashed with Chaotix' aura of flame. It was a marvel the two could even fight amidst the elemental mayhem which surrounded them. It was almost as though it were a dance, white fire and red lightning mingling and firing off in all directions.

Another backwards dodge by Mainyu saved him from a downward strike by Chaotix. Mainyu's staff darkened to a pure black, aside from the glittering gem. He raised his hands, and brilliant lightning erupted from the ground in an enormous circle around them. Chaotix attempted to leap backwards out of the circle of destruction, but could not escape. He staggered back, panting, struggling to keep his feet. Despite this, his white aura remained an angry, writhing white. Mainyu raised his right hand, and another tremendous volt burst forward, hitting Chaotix square in the chest. He roared in pain, and his aura erupted in a brilliant blast. Mainyu immediately turned on his heel and hid behind the golden throne. He could feel the haze from the battle launch itself into a full inferno. His back could feel the throne begin to melt, as he saw the white flames torch past on either side. After a few seconds, the flames died down. Mainyu rolled from out behind his cover, and saw Chaotix laying face first against the ground, his aura nearly gone. His breathing was heavy, slow, and deliberate.


'You... haven't.... won.... never.... win....' Chaotix whispered. With a grimace, Mainyu aimed his staff at his fallen opponent.

'We'll see about that, now won't we? But you? You lose.' Another blast of red lightning erupted from the staff, and engulfed Chaotix. As it danced across his body, he began to dissolve into a dark crimson mist.


'My... my... my lord,' someone from the crowd stammered out in an awestruck voice, head bowed to the ground. 'It appears in the final blast that dcmort was too close. He is... indisposed.'

Mainyu composed himself. 'It is no loss. He has not been faithful or vigorous. He deserved his fate. Just as he did. Now, begone! I shall have no more of you tonight! We shall test his claim.'"



"So was that the end, granpa?" the young girl asked. "Was he telling the truth? And where are you?"

"Well, pumpkin, just let me explain...."



Chaotix 7 (Beskar, Johnhughthom, Warman, Riedquat, Major Robert Dump, Classical Hero, Captain Blackadder)
Johnhughthom 2 (Chaotix, Glyphz)

Not Voting 1 (dcmort)



Alive: 8


Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Classical Hero
Johnhughthom
Glyphz
Major Robert Dump
Riedquat
Warman



Killed: 17

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Death is Yonder (N10)
Choxorn (N11)
TheLastDays (N12)


Lynched: 12

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)
Diamondeye (D10)
Woad&fangs (D11)
Chaotix (D12)

WoK: 4

SoulBlade
Khazaar
Autolycus
dcmort

[glyphz]

Whaddya know... Chaotix was indeed Hades

guess cult got it right, wonder what happens next?

Johnhughthom 2 (Chaotix, Glyphz)

[Chaotix]

Congrats town!

Now, as your prize for catching me, you get to watch helplessly as the cult eats you alive! Isn't that exciting?

No matter what my alignment is... the correct choice would have been to let me live a day or two. Then you could at least have a chance at winning.


To the cult: I underestimated you, and you deserve to win for it.


To khaan: I very much enjoyed the write-up.

[Earthling]

Do we have a timer for a night phase, or are we just waiting for another write-up?

I'd say again it's impossible for game balance for the cult to be town-aligned with Chaotix as scum so not expecting the pleasant surprise of a town victory in the next writeup, but we'll see what happens.

[Major Robert Dump]

All that effort to keep us from lynching Chaotix, and how Chaotix could not be scum, I would expect the oopsies to come roaring in, or else perhaps the people defending him were somehow complicit in what he was doing. Didn't Satan have a son in that Adam Sandler movie???

Seriously, the cult was looking for someone to claim and tell their story but their numbers at the time were small enough and the members suspected enough that no one wanted to do it for fear of being a nail in their own coffin. I was a replacement, I hadn't invested the time in the game, so from my perspective it was a no brainer to claim and start a discussion about the cult. Had this not been done, our wagon on Chaotix would have been dismissed even more so that it already was.

There is no plausible way that any of you can say with a straight face that we would have been better offhad we held off lynching a mafia for a day or two when we are down to 10 players. What bollox.

[Visor]

MRD, I really enjoyed your performance. (Seriously)

[Ironside]

Congrats town!

Now, as your prize for catching me, you get to watch helplessly as the cult eats you alive! Isn't that exciting?

No matter what my alignment is... the correct choice would have been to let me live a day or two. Then you could at least have a chance at winning.


To the cult: I underestimated you, and you deserve to win for it.


To khaan: I very much enjoyed the write-up.

Psh, blaming us for your own failures. You had the entire game to try to kill the cult head.

[TheLastDays]

I never said Chaotix cannot be scum, in fact, go back a few posts and you'll see the very phrase that it is possible that Chaotix is Hades. I merely stated that the cult was more dangerous at this point and it is yet to be revealed if I was right about that. I still don't believe the cult was town aligned. The recruitment ability makes no sense for what they claimed their goal to be.

Also, Chaotix, this is what you got for killing me

EDIT: I also hope that all of you townies who sold out to the cult realise that this is probably the last night and that it's not even a real night phase because khaan is probably only suspending us before the final writeup so there'll be no more recruitment, you have signed your own death warrants and that's the one thing I'll be happy about when this is over.

[Beskar]

Guess who was right? Beskar!

Happy Happy Go Go Beskar!

:dance:'s around in glee as he managed to work it out.

Very good game Chaotix, you was just unlucky. The combination of Classical Hero getting converted and TLD dying drew my attention straight towards you. (also the fact of no night attacks upon you)

[Beskar]

All that effort to keep us from lynching Chaotix, and how Chaotix could not be scum, I would expect the oopsies to come roaring in, or else perhaps the people defending him were somehow complicit in what he was doing2

That was the case. I put it to you in this way, how did Earthling know it was Hades? Why was he so adamant in Chaotix's defense and so seemingly devoid of reason simply twisting my words and calling me out as a liar?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why was.... [Earthling] ...calling me out as a liar?

First rule of Earthling: Everyone is a liar.

[Ironside]

That was the case. I put it to you in this way, how did Earthling know it was Hades? Why was he so adamant in Chaotix's defense and so seemingly devoid of reason simply twisting my words and calling me out as a liar?

Because he was fooled of what I assume is the correct assumption that Chaotix did roleblock early on? I doubt he intended to be killed by Chaotix, while defending Secura, if he was scum.

[Beskar]

First rule of Earthling: Everyone is a liar.

Well, he should seriously reconsider that rule when it comes to me!

[TheLastDays]

Guess who was right? Beskar!

Happy Happy Go Go Beskar!

You were right about Chaotix. We'll see of you were right about the cult, unless you were in the cult anyway. Then it doesn't matter.

[Ironside]

Well, he should seriously reconsider that rule when it comes to me. I am the Bringer of Truth. The Light in the Darkness. For I was...

*drumroll*

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Right!

You're also 700 posts late to the party :

Are you telling us that you and White eyes are scum mates Chaotix?

Should be interesting how I did with the rest of my my guesses.

[Renata]

Congrats to the cult.

[Earthling]

The cult was clearly lying that they had evidence Andres was a mafia for those who were asking. Losing to the cult means the town has a zero percent chance of victory, whereas if we'd gotten the cult leader or held them off the game would still be on and the town would have a nonzero chance of victory.

Until we see a writeup with town victory and all the townies listed as victorious a cult victory means nothing.

[Zack]

Until we see a writeup with town victory and all the townies listed as victorious a cult victory means nothing.

???

[Earthling]

Sorry, do you have a link to khaan's latest writeup? Or are we still waiting, is what I'm saying. The cult winning and the town losing is nothing for townies to be pleased about.

[Beskar]

The cult was clearly lying ...

Wrong, Mr. Chaotix is pro-town and definitely not Hades.

[Earthling]

Pretty sure I'm still right, the cult is not pro-town with Chaotix as scum. It would be an impressive surprise to find out that the cult leader was town all along and really did have an ability to scan for mafia but I don't see how anyone should think that's true.

[Yaropolk]

My hat off to Chaotix - well played, can't wait for the final role reveal.

[Beskar]

You were right about Chaotix. We'll see of you were right about the cult, unless you were in the cult anyway. Then it doesn't matter.

What is there that could ever go wrong? We are simply going to cruise to victory.

[Tratorix]

What is there that could ever go wrong? We are simply going to cruise to victory.

And the town wins after the entire cult was killed in a tragic gas fight accident...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Whaddya know... Chaotix was indeed Hades

guess cult got it right, wonder what happens next?

What happens next?

Askthepizzaguy returns from the grave to destroy the hated glyphz monster.

DIE,

DIE,

DIE DIE DIE!!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh? What's that glyphz?

Don't know why?

Pizza done gone and died forgots about this game? Thought had game in the bag?

Ooooooops!

Death doesn't really stop me, you know.

[Major Robert Dump]

To the remaining scum: you will never get the goddess. Your days are numbered.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You claim that you are a pro-town civilian...
so I'm assuming you're not a pro-town power role...
But you may be lying & actually be scum...
That means...
Your lynch has the least potential of being a 'disaster!'


Vote: TheLastDays

Look! Look at all the ellipses! Clear evidence of guilt!

Ellipses = scum.

If he doesn't reveal by night's end, then the first order of the day is to place votes on him, if he is still alive by then.

edit: issaikhaan, the final tally is showing error, though it does not change that Arjos has the highest count

More concerned with the tally than usual = scum.

There's probably a 3 vote lead bet G_E & the next canditate, & at least 10 nonvoters.

Vote: God_Emperor for safe measure...

Safe? SAFE??? SAFE!?!?!

Concerned about safe = scum.

There must really be a lack of leads this day...

vote: glyphzIt looks fake. None of the other bandwagons were remotely serious as "threats" to GE getting lynched, so why the pose? During the night glyphz says GE needs to be lynched if no claim, yet there was a claim, and glyphz didn't comment on it at all, just this fake looking vote.

At the time I began writing that post, the lead on the G_E wagon dropped from 6 (Romanic's tally post post #380) to 3, including a couple of unvotes. The focus of the last posts were going away from G_E (check it out), and I saw that as a bad sign, hence the message style.

As for the reason? I was not convinced of his civilian reveal. Not after surviving an attack. And not after hinting that he has something to disclose regarding that matter, and acting unsure how to do it. I also did not agree w/ his reasoning, for delaying the truth of his nature, saying it was for the sake of generating discussion, I thought it only had us running in circles trying to guess what transpired or what he was.

These post make my gut wrench! Making my gut wrench = scum!

I'm going to come out and say up front, that I'm a vanilla townie, and I suspect God Emperor was also one.

Therefore, it seems clear that the big guy with the axe is incompetent when it comes to killing people.

You could have made your point w/o the need of referencing yourself. Revealing, while under no suspicion/pressure, just makes me think you're suspicious.
Vote: Zack

Buh????

Making me say buh = SCUM!

Are ya? Hmmmmmm?
Are ya, really?

If I claim that I'm vanilla townie as well, are you gonna believe me, & take my word for it?
Doubt it.
So why should I believe you then?

As Jon Lovitz would say: ACTING!

Acting = scum!

Not yet.

Welcome to the party, 'pizza

You're the other option for today, aren't you?


Ok tell me, which one of you should I vote for and why.

Vote for Glyphz.

Visorslash says to vote for Glyphz!

That's remarkably similar to telling us to vote for glyphz!

That means that glyphz is scum!

Yep. I got the wagon, but am unwillingly fighting fluff for the right to ride it one-way to the gallows...
Only gone through the thread once, so I dont have any ammunition w/ someone's name on it...
If I were to borrow someone else's case I'd go w/ DoubleA, TheLastDays, or Zack.

You sound like you don't care about your death, but you also want me to read other people's cases to save you!

You can't care and not care at the same time!

Emotional paradoxes are scummy!

I approve, even if it causes my death.

TROLL TIL THE END.

(AND SOME TIME AFTER AS WELL!)

Have you ever had a non-cannon fodder role, Fluffy?

Also, glyphz is my home boy. Nobody touches him, in that way, but me.

Aww, pizza! How cheeeesy of you

It's time for me to touch you, glyphz! I'm not wearing gloves this time....

Better start voting for believer then.

Yes, yes. I'm still a believer. I still believe in mira-
vote for believer?
Um, sure why not...
Unvote; Vote: Believer

The scummy stink of desperation!

Alright, based on my own tally and the posted one(the two matched), we have a tie, between Fluffy and Glyphz. First vote which breaks the tie ends the round. You may still vote for other players.


Glyphz 7(Chaotix, Yaropolk, Ironside woad&fangs, Renata, Dcmort, white eyes)
Fluffy 7(Earthling, SoulBlade, Khazaar, TLD, GH, Romanic, Johnhughthom)
TheLastDays 5(Choxorn, Seon, Riedquat, Believer, DiY)
Double A 4(Warman, Diamondeye, Andres, Captain Blackadder)
Believer 3(Fluffy, Glyphz, ATPG)
Romanic 1(Zack)
Zack 1(Glyphz)

Vote: Fluffy

-edit- nevermind, that doesn't do anything.

I'm getting a different tally...
DoubleA voted Fluffy (post #562)

Confirmed, Fluffy 8 glyphz 7 is also what I have.

Yes, it seems you're correct, Glyphz. Fluffy was lynched. Writeup shortly. Orders may be begin to be sent now.

All this concern over vanilla glyphz' life?

Yeah sure.

And I'm not really a pizza, I'm actually a taco.

Askthetacoguy says that glyphz is really vanilla.

In fact, I'm like a taco that poops out vanilla ice cream.

Ice-cream -ing taco = alien

aliens are scum

Therefore glyphz is guilty!!!!

*sigh*
If I knew that this unjustified persecution (aka wagon) would persist into the next phase then Id have helped town out myself earlier, and let town focus somewhere else sooner (& let Fluffy go on w/ his antics).

Last time I'll address the 'case' Renata pointed out.You should see why I have reason to be concerned (of the trend) back then and the need to put G_E back into the spotlight.(& I've already posted my view on G_E's 'reveal')

Other points to consider:
a) I was active much of the end of the day, but never did a vote to preserve myself. Should give you an idea of how 'important' I think of my own survival / role (of w/c I've hinted on already in a post, and to someone who inquired in private)
b) noone really put any effort to defend me or persistently try to throw suspicion somewhere else, considering the not solid at all case placed against me. Moot, if there were actually damning evidence against me.

Misc. tidbit you may want to consider
Wouldn’t scum prefer to keep fluffy around than vote him off (& thus focus on me), considering he has no intention whatsoever to analyze or contribute productively in any discussion (& even admitted to it). So instead of focusing on the fluffy wagon, try to check the ones jumping on mine.

Blah blah blah blah blah scum.

Vote: glyphz
should have done this last round. Though I'm still open to switch to another, preferablt TLD, if someone decides to start a late trend.

Hold on, what's all this then?

Did a double check on the tally, looks good. 40 minutes left.


Glyphz 7 (Glyphz, Renata, Believer, dcmort, chaotix, johnhughtom, Romanic)
ATPG 5 (woad&fangs, Yaropolk, Khazaar, warman, Earthling)
TheLastDays 3(Choxorn, DiY, Riedquat)
Woad&fangs 3 (Diamondey, ATPG, Seon)
Seon 1 (TLD)
Romanic 1 (Zack)
Double A (GH)
White eyes (Secura)
Beskar 1 (Beskar)(
Zack 1 (Classical Hero)

Oooooh what's that? PIZZA THE ALTERNATIVE LYNCH????

Unvote, Vote: Askthepizzaguy

You enormous bleepity bleep!

Why?

Why not?

And so this shall be the reason that glyphz dies!

THE REASON SHALL BE THE SAME!

BWAHAHAAHAAAAAAA


WHY THE NOT!

unvote; vote ATPG

This reasonless vote is scummy!

Won't even let me die when I want to...

So be it.

Play on, it is.

HE WANTS TO DIE!!!

GRANT HIS FINAL WISH!!!!