Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[White_eyes:D]

Dohohohoho.

"Kill the cult before you kill Hades," I says. Nobody listens.

"There are more important people to lynch than me," I says. Nobody listens.

You cultists did a fine job of making the town your whipping-boys, there. But now it seems ALL of you are going to pay the price. Now, Miss Ishtar's gonna kill you real good, and I bet the cultists all know who she is, but can't vote for her because they're too far in love with her.

You guys have to lynch her for real today, otherwise she'll make all of you her slaves and then turn you into human sacrifices. You got duped. But personally, I'd like to see her win. She did better than me, after all. She deserves it.

Chaotix, I love ya but your sucking all the energy out of the room. This is a great day for cultists everywhere, all 5-6 of them. They all get to die horribly for no reason other then to appease a slighted lover.

I would pull out the popcorn right about now.

[seireikhaan]

Apologies, but I am in desperate need of Z's, writeup will be in about 4 to 5 hours.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I missed the day vote by a couple hours..... :sad


Good write up Khaany.

[seireikhaan]

"So no, pumpkin," the old man answered. "When they convened once more and another was gone from their ranks, an irate Mainyu demanded they find the one responsible. But, this time, it seemed those remaining were not keen for debate. A relatively quiet, quick run of votes against Glyphz assured his demise, with seemingly little doubt from the crowd that it was he who was guilty. Unlike previous, there was no arguments over previous behavior or any leads into his activities at night or anything of the sort. Just short, simple, quick acknowledgements that they wanted him to be held before their lord. Glyphz, to his credit, seemed to recognize his impending doom and only offered a little resistance."

"Wouldn't he defend himself more if he was the bad guy?"

"Oh, not always. Some people find it suspicious to be frantic in your defense. Others find it more suspicious when they seem to not resist enough. It really is quite a bind for when people found themselves accused by the crowd. Anyways, at the end of the day, at the ring of the great bell, he was dragged before their lord by the remaining crowd. Mainyu peered at the crowd as they stood gathered, solemnly around Glyphz. Then to Glyphz, then back to the crowd. It was as though Mainyu peered into the collective soul of the group, and something was just a bit off. Regardless, he had committed himself to this path. He would not deviate, not back down, not retreat. And so he accepted the sword offered to him by a kneeling servant, and ended Glyphz with two quick strokes. As they departed, Mainyu offered no words of encouragement no rally cry of survival and conquest. Instead, he allowed a single look to indicate their time was done for now. With his silent approval, the remaining crowd funneled out of the throne room, silently into the night...."


Glyphz 5 (Johnhughthom, Beskar, Riedquat, Classical Hero, Captain Blackadder
Beskar 1 (Glyphz)

Not Voting 1 (Warman)





Alive: 6


Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Classical Hero
Johnhughthom
Riedquat
Warman



Killed: 18

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Death is Yonder (N10)
Choxorn (N11)
TheLastDays (N12)
Major Robert Dump (N13)


Lynched: 13

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)
Diamondeye (D10)
Woad&fangs (D11)
Chaotix (D12)
Glyphz (D13)

WoK: 4

SoulBlade
Khazaar
Autolycus
dcmort

[TheLastDays]

Yea sounds good, really sounds like a town victory we're about to see /sarcasm.

Guys, whoever you are, Ishtar is tricking you. I don't know if you still have the possibility to decide for yourselves but I'd guess you do, otherwise the game wouldn't keep running. Think about it.

[Chaotix]

Nah. Everyone who's been converted is a lost cause already, TLD.

I'm pretty sure that was the last day for you regular townies to win the game for yourselves and your misguided cult brethren.

Now that Ishtar has a majority of you under her sway, she can sacrifice cultists by night and force you to lynch townies by day. It really is a brilliant plan. I'm glad you all fell for it.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Nah. Everyone who's been converted is a lost cause already, TLD.

I'm pretty sure that was the last day for you regular townies to win the game for yourselves and your misguided cult brethren.

Now that Ishtar has a majority of you under her sway, she can sacrifice cultists by night and force you to lynch townies by day. It really is a brilliant plan. I'm glad you all fell for it.

I didn't fall for anything. I'm just happy to still be alive in game .

[Tratorix]

So, if there aren't enough townies to form a majority shouldn't this be a Cult/Ishtar win then? The game wouldn't be still going if one side had a guaranteed win.

[Beskar]

So, if there aren't enough townies to form a majority shouldn't this be a Cult/Ishtar win then? The game wouldn't be still going if one side had a guaranteed win.

Not all scum are Night Killers and then they don't have to send in Night Orders.

There is one lurking around some where and as it has been argued before, they could have infiltrated the cult by being scum in the first place or recruited out of the cult (ie: Andres).

Either way, the normal recruited cultists still win even if Ishtar was the last person standing as indicated by the victory conditions. So trying to persuade people to jeopardise their own victories is a fool's errand at best. Even if the non-cultists wasn't aware, Ishtar has made their ability pretty evident near the start of the cult and has gone into great detail about it. The ability you saw in the write-up was a self-protect ability which requires a life of a cultist to fuel (which empowers Ishtar with the blue glow which then can be used to fight off Hades and his kin) as we are unaware of the abilities of the scum and that Ishtar's life could be in danger, Major Robert Dump willing put his own name forward. He wasn't tricked, duped or similar, he requested it, which in hindsight is probably a fishy move because if he was scum, it could have been a trap to trick Ishtar and get her while she is vulnerable.

The host Khaan has made it clear in private message that there is still scum in the game, hence why the game hasn't ended. Cult's victory is as mentioned before is remove the scum from the game and ensure the survival of the cult. Since the survival of the cult is keeping Ishtar alive and since Ishtar is not scum, both victory conditions can be met at the same time which has been clarified.

Since there is a lurking scum hiding away which Chaotix and his friends most likely know about (Chaotix spoke of some one assisting him as an argument of why Hades didn't attack him last phase), it is this assistant which needs to be removed from the game.

Also: Pizza made a very nice case against glyphz, it was pretty much a case of "Let's lynch him" there was no need of public discussion since the dead people are not helpful anyway See: Earthling, Chaotix and the other scummers who are the only ones pretty much talking when others like Death is Yonder, Major Robert Dump, and others with information know the situation agree with the methods being used.

[classical_hero]

This is a surprise.

[Renata]

Not all scum are Night Killers / They don't have to send in Night Orders.

There is one lurking around some where.

Oh, Beskar.

[White_eyes:D]

No townie living or dead would believe that bull Beskar just said. If you do, I don't know what you have been taking but I want some.

[Chaotix]

I can't tell whether or not Beskar actually believes what he just spouted from his mouth.

Either way, he's in for a surprise when Ishtar decides to eat him, too. Then he'll see just how "voluntary" it was.

[Diamondeye]

What Renata said

[TheLastDays]

Well, Beskar, you are either the liar behind all of this or you are simply way more naive than I thought. This whole statement os so full of logical errors that I have a hard time reading it without laughing out loud. Let me address some points:

Not all scum are Night Killers and then they don't have to send in Night Orders.

There is one lurking around some where and as it has been argued before, they could have infiltrated the cult by being scum in the first place or recruited out of the cult (ie: Andres).

The host Khaan has made it clear in private message that there is still scum in the game, hence why the game hasn't ended. Cult's victory is as mentioned before is remove the scum from the game and ensure the survival of the cult.

Let me quote the lynch writeup of Chaotix:

'No. No more of this. No more secrecy. No more pretending. The rest have fallen. Not surprising, I suppose, as weak as they were.' Chaotix raised his hands to the sky, and a flash temporarily blinded the room. Chaotix stood before everyone, an aura of white fire pulsing around him. The crowd staggered backwards, most visibly shaken. 'We will settle this, Mainyu. This land, the heavens, the netherworld. None of it belongs to you. How could it, when it is mine?'

Emphasis done by me. That's point #1.
Point #2 is: A Mafia who cannot kill at night, makes no sense! Thanks.
Point #3 is: The host has confirmed via PM? To whom? To all cultists? I highly doubt that. So Ishtar says he has confirmed to her? You guys crack me up.
Why then would he write this line in the writeup? Oh, I see, to confuse us. Wait, no. Why then would he confirm via PM that his writeup was BS?

Either way, the normal recruited cultists still win even if Ishtar was the last person standing as indicated by the victory conditions. So trying to persuade people to jeopardise their own victories is a fool's errand at best. Even if the non-cultists wasn't aware, Ishtar has made their ability pretty evident near the start of the cult and has gone into great detail about it. The ability you saw in the write-up was a self-protect ability which requires a life of a cultist to fuel (which empowers Ishtar with the blue glow which then can be used to fight off Hades and his kin) as we are unaware of the abilities of the scum and that Ishtar's life could be in danger, Major Robert Dump willing put his own name forward. He wasn't tricked, duped or similar, he requested it, which in hindsight is probably a fishy move because if he was scum, it could have been a trap to trick Ishtar and get her while she is vulnerable.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

No, seriously.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

This Ishtar-girl has you all under control nicely. Unless it's you, Beskar, nice display of innocence then. Ishtar has an ability to recruit. You still cannot give a reasonable explanation for this if her only goal was to survive. Oh, wait, you claimed she needed to mate with Mainyu as well. Whatever happened to that goal?

Also: Pizza made a very nice case against glyphz, it was pretty much a case of "Let's lynch him" there was no need of public discussion since the dead people are not helpful anyway See: Earthling, Chaotix and the other scummers who are the only ones pretty much talking when others like Death is Yonder, Major Robert Dump, and others with information know the situation agree with the methods being used.

I'm still talking. So, Chaotix killed his scumbuddy to clear me so I could influence everyone while I'm dead?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Renata]

I do remember commenting to someone or other very early on that Beskar was doing his very best "hey, don't look at me I'm a neutral role" impression.

[TheLastDays]

His recent posts made this appearance increasingly weak. I just don't believe he actually believes this junk. Ergo, he's lying.

[Earthling]

Beskar, the game rules decisively indicate that no member of the mafia team that consisted of Chaotix/Renata/GE/whoever else is left alive. You're simply wrong to think otherwise. We certainly have a lot of confusion and clues that are hard to add up in various writeups, determine who is neutral or whatever, but I doubt the host would have lied to us like that.

The town isn't going to achieve victory unless Ishtar dies, that seems pretty obvious.

I'd actually think Warman is as good a guess as jht at this point, because the bandwagon to save Warman on the Andres lynch is a very good lead. They both voted against pizza who would be one of their own cultists but most of the others are ruled out as cult leader for other reasons anyway, inactivity or another role. Riedquat is a very outside shot but I think those are the best bets.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I sure hope it isn't too late to stop him!?

[Ironside]

His recent posts made this appearance increasingly weak. I just don't believe he actually believes this junk. Ergo, he's lying.

The interesting part is why he's posting it at all.

It's no point lying if it's impossible for the town to win instead of Ishtar. The only thing I can think of is that Ishtar only solo wins and there's still two townies left that can vote Ishtar, while the non-suecidal cultists doesn't vote so Ishtar gets lynched with 2 votes.

I mean it's utterly boring for us and no point of watching if it's simply a mop up by the cult as well.

[Beskar]

Beskar, the game rules decisively indicate that no member of the mafia team that consisted of Chaotix/Renata/GE/whoever else is left alive.

Were they the same ones which said Chaotix wasn't scum either?

[TheLastDays]

Beskar, Earthling was wrong about a few things but khaan clearly stated that we would get no indication of having lynched a Mafia character, unless it was the last remaining Mafia.

[Renata]

I don't think I ever said word one about Chaotix. *innocent look*

Pizza, oh Pizza, the case against Glyphz, sheer genius.

[TheLastDays]

The interesting part is why he's posting it at all.

It's no point lying if it's impossible for the town to win instead of Ishtar. The only thing I can think of is that Ishtar only solo wins and there's still two townies left that can vote Ishtar, while the non-suecidal cultists doesn't vote so Ishtar gets lynched with 2 votes.

I mean it's utterly boring for us and no point of watching if it's simply a mop up by the cult as well.

I agree with this. Atm my money is on the possibility that the cult members can actually vote against Ishtar and have to do so to win this game. I also doubt khaan would let us watch 3 rounds of 1 kill per night and unanimous votes during the days.

[Earthling]

The rules went a little bit towards me being right, because the rules strongly imply there were no town roles with the ability to truescan mafia. But it was mostly not the specific rules but common sense that the host hadn't done a horrendous job of game balance, and it seems very much that I was completely right, if Chaotix was scum the cult was anti-town.

I have to agree with Ironside that there seems to be little reason for the game to go on if the cultists are going to all win, because they already have a clear majority, and I don't quite see how the cultists being forced to vote only way exactly works. It could be possible - I would be really impressed if they were told by the host that they were effectively dead weight and had lost the game as townies as soon as they were recruited, but had to keep participating to help the cult leader along. They all did so and that's real effort into the game, even the dead cultists who continued to try to lie and mislead the town for days and days after that died.

It would be completely pathetic but very funny if the cultists thought they were going to win and had free choice the entire time, and aren't going to, even the dead cultists who continued to lie and mislead the town for days and days after they died.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, oh Pizza, the case against Glyphz, sheer genius.

Those dots were clear indicators of guilt.

[TheLastDays]

Those dots were clear indicators of guilt.

[Beskar]

Beskar, Earthling was wrong about a few things but khaan clearly stated that we would get no indication of having lynched a Mafia character, unless it was the last remaining Mafia.

What was Andres then, he was clearly not a town in the write-up. Was he the last Mafia then before the other last one?

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Beskar, the game rules decisively indicate that no member of the mafia team that consisted of Chaotix/Renata/GE/whoever else is left alive. You're simply wrong to think otherwise. We certainly have a lot of confusion and clues that are hard to add up in various writeups, determine who is neutral or whatever, but I doubt the host would have lied to us like that.

The town isn't going to achieve victory unless Ishtar dies, that seems pretty obvious.

I'd actually think Warman is as good a guess as jht at this point, because the bandwagon to save Warman on the Andres lynch is a very good lead. They both voted against pizza who would be one of their own cultists but most of the others are ruled out as cult leader for other reasons anyway, inactivity or another role. Riedquat is a very outside shot but I think those are the best bets.

Does it matter at this point if I am going to die, either by the cult in either phrase?

[Earthling]

What was Andres then, he was clearly not a town in the write-up. Was he the last Mafia then before the other last one?

Andres was a partner of me and GH on a third party/serial killer team.

Does it matter at this point if I am going to die, either by the cult in either phrase?

How about you, Beskar, and Blackadder all don't vote in the next day phase just in case?