why did the west commit to multiculturalism?

[gaelic cowboy]

I was agreeing with pape minus the aforementioned caveat. I peruse existing threads for interesting ideas that I either agree with or disagree with. I honestly like sidetracks within a thread to a point

Well I'm still confused then what does reporting of crime have to do with the OP.

[Kagemusha]

If you talk with a guy from the street about fear of multiculturalism. The thing you get is that he/she is afraid that his/hers own culture might change towards direction he/she does not want it to go, because of immigrant influence, aka they do not want to be under sharia law in Finland for example. So in the end is opinion concerning multiculturalism even about multiculturalism in the end? Or just more about fear in general?

[Fragony]

If you talk with a guy from the street about fear of multiculturalism. The thing you get is that he/she is afraid that his/hers own culture might change towards direction he/she does not want it to go, because of immigrant influence, aka they do not want to be under sharia law in Finland for example. So in the end is opinion concerning multiculturalism even about multiculturalism in the end? Or just more about fear in general?

Thing is, they are right. Multiculturalism is implementing islam, nobody is asking for it. The islam seems to be the greatest achievemenr to be won in the multiculture game

[Kagemusha]

Who says that turning into islam is something to be desired about? I am placing the weight to the word "who".

[gaelic cowboy]

there is something up here with continual arguement that Multicultism is some force behind immigration, surely the reason Europe has lots of muslim immigrants is because all the countires bordering Europe that send immigrants are Muslim.

The problem with the Multicultist idea that Frag has is surely after the people got here, when they start dismantling norms and rules to satisfy some airy fairy ethic.

[Adrian II]

surely the reason Europe has lots of muslim immigrants [...]

It's hasn't. That's why this whole debate is absurd. About 3% of the population of the European Union are muslims. This percentage has been stable for years and is expected to go down since muslims are gradually adopting European birthrates. Many of those listed as muslims are not immigrants. Bulgaria for instance has 13% muslims, most of who were there since the Ottoman days. Many others are not observant, even though they are registered as muslims. In France for instance only half of immigrants from muslim countries are observant.

Just a few facts. I thought they couldn't hurt.

AII

[gaelic cowboy]

It's hasn't. That's why this whole debate is absurd. About 3% of the population of the European Union are muslims. This percentage has been stable for years and is expected to go down since muslims are gradually adopting European birthrates. Many of those listed as muslims are not immigrants. Bulgaria for instance has 13% muslims, most of who were there since the Ottoman days. Many others are not observant, even though they are registered as muslims. In France for instance only half of immigrants from muslim countries are observant.

Just a few facts. I thought they couldn't hurt.

AII

I was talking about the fact most of the acual people who actually immigrate here year on year are muslim by default not by some leftist design.

[Fragony]

Who says that turning into islam is something to be desired about? I am placing the weight to the word "who".

The multicultural left. The islam is nothing but a trophy. The rest of us are forced to lovingly caress a poisinous snake (political islam) so they get to feel good about themselves

' The problem with the Multicultist idea that Frag has is surely afterthe people got here, when they start dismantling norms and rules to satisfy some airy fairy ethic. '

yes

[Kagemusha]

The multicultural left. The islam is nothing but a trophy. The rest of us are forced to lovingly caress a poisinous snake (political islam) so they get to feel good about themselves

' The problem with the Multicultist idea that Frag has is surely afterthe people got here, when they start dismantling norms and rules to satisfy some airy fairy ethic. '

yes

So it is the political left that wants to convert everyone to Islam? So are they Islamist in disguise?

[Fragony]

So it is the political left that wants to convert everyone to Islam? So are they Islamist in disguise?

Nah, it just doesn't work all that well, so concession after concession after concession, multiculture can't fail after all. It's a process of accumulation, small things that go unnoticed untill you add things up