why did the west commit to multiculturalism?

[Papewaio]

I was agreeing with pape minus the aforementioned caveat. I peruse existing threads for interesting ideas that I either agree with or disagree with. I honestly like sidetracks within a thread to a point

Not really a side track. Pointing out what is considered a cultural norm. I do wonder how we would feel seeing that same privilege extended to Mufti's.

People have a story, a need to vent. If it wasn't a priest it may have been someone else. Talking to anyone else would shine the light on a
crime and open up paths to investigation. The difference with a defense lawyer is that we operate on a dueling mechanism in law.

(Above was on a phone, below is without spell check).

My own caveat which is more off track (one upmanship :) ):
I actually think 90% of what confession is, is a great thing. In fact it might be a better option then prison. It is part of the cup of tea and talk therapy ideas that might ultimately be better then mandatory sentences for minor crimes. I think it is better to have professional lawyers, judges and carers (Priests, Doctors, Nurses) to be able to implement solutions based on their professional judgement.

[Shibumi]

Strictly from my perspective.

What Sweden has gained from multiculturalism:
- Richer food culture.
- More understanding of other nations.
- People who work harder for less.

What Sweden has lost:
- We now have ghettos.
- The use of derogatory names for girls are being common.
- The sense of "The big home", we used to pay high taxes to support our less fortunate citizens (and that was ok), now we find ourselves paying even higher taxes for originally somewhereelses citizens (and that is not ok). Can be seen in the fact that we used to be socialist when we were only Swedes with minor immigration, whereas we have now moved to a more cold society with colder laws and general structures in society at large.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Strictly from my perspective.

What Sweden has gained from multiculturalism:
- Richer food culture.
- More understanding of other nations.
- People who work harder for less.

What Sweden has lost:
- We now have ghettos.
- The use of derogatory names for girls are being common.
- The sense of "The big home", we used to pay high taxes to support our less fortunate citizens (and that was ok), now we find ourselves paying even higher taxes for originally somewhereelses citizens (and that is not ok). Can be seen in the fact that we used to be socialist when we were only Swedes with minor immigration, whereas we have now moved to a more cold society with colder laws and general structures in society at large.

This sounds normal, really, the Rich benefit (foriegn cooks, cheap labour) while the poor and less-than-wealthy are left to pick up the tab. I have always said Scandanavia did well socially because of homogenity. The attrocities in Norway, while not committed by an immigrant, are still linked to immigration.

That realisation has not, however, pointed me towards a solution.

[Furunculus]

This sounds normal, really, the Rich benefit (foriegn cooks, cheap labour) while the poor and less-than-wealthy are left to pick up the tab. I have always said Scandanavia did well socially because of homogenity. The attrocities in Norway, while not committed by an immigrant, are still linked to immigration.

That realisation has not, however, pointed me towards a solution.

agreed, a truly happy and undiluted solcial democracy really only works with a culturally homogeneous population, as only a broad and deep sense of 'family' will encourage people to reach into their pockets for others benefit time after time.

[Papewaio]

So Australia which is a culturally hetrogenous population is not a happy social democracy?

Now these are only sourced from one think tank, so automatically the sample population is not great. But as these were at the top of the google search I'm sure you can find something to counter it if your premise is correct.

From the happiest countries in the world 2010:
1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Finland
4. Australia
5. New Zealand

The World’s Most Liveable Cities Top 10 List 2011:
1 Vancouver, Canada
2 Melbourne, Australia
3 Vienna, Austria
4 Toronto, Canada
5 Calgary, Canada
6 Helsinki, Finland
7 Sydney, Australia
8 (equal) Perth, Australia
9 (equal) Adelaide, Australia
10 Auckland, New Zealand

But it kind of torpedoes the idea that one needs to have a culturally homogenous population to be happy as that is not the key.

I don't see the poor as being worse off for immigration. The uber-rich can afford a butler, its the middle class and poor who are more likely to require the help of a lower wage earner. Take call centres in Australia, they are about as diverse a group of people possible. Call centres are run by a much higher percentage of immigrants and second generation then the rest of Australia. The low cost solutions that are call centres are catering more for the middle and poor segment of the population.

[Strike For The South]

The more and more this thread goes on, the more and more it becomes painfully clear multicultralism is a buzzword for BROWN PEOPLE

Not that it is very surprising, mind you

[Fragony]

The more and more this thread goes on, the more and more it becomes painfully clear multicultralism is a buzzword for BROWN PEOPLE

Not that it is very surprising, mind you

Nope, it's not about brown people, nor hindu's, nor asians. Only about leftist islamphilae

[Viking]

The more and more this thread goes on, the more and more it becomes painfully clear multicultralism is a buzzword for BROWN PEOPLE

On the Norwegian countryside, people of different ethnicities appeared long before immigrants did. They were adopted. If you see someone in my home municipality of a non-Norwegian ethnicity, then they are most likely adopted and are a part of local culture.

[Centurion1]

[QUOTE]

So Australia which is a culturally hetrogenous population is not a happy social democracy?

Now these are only sourced from one think tank, so automatically the sample population is not great. But as these were at the top of the google search I'm sure you can find something to counter it if your premise is correct.

From the happiest countries in the world 2010:
1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Finland
4. Australia
5. New Zealand

The World’s Most Liveable Cities Top 10 List 2011:
1 Vancouver, Canada
2 Melbourne, Australia
3 Vienna, Austria
4 Toronto, Canada
5 Calgary, Canada
6 Helsinki, Finland
7 Sydney, Australia
8 (equal) Perth, Australia
9 (equal) Adelaide, Australia
10 Auckland, New Zealand

All of those statistics are highly subjective and sort of pointless. Not to mention if you really want to get into it I saw about four different rankings for happiest countries online.

But sure we will go with yours if it makes you happy.

1. Homogeneous culturally
2. Homogeneous culturally
3. Homogeneous culturally
4. heterogeneous you say. 92% of the country is made up of those of European descent with a 8-9% Asian population. I couldn't find how much of the European population is foreign born or not so it would be nice if you could tell me that. I assume the majority hail from the British Isles.
5. New Zealand appears to be about 70% European with 15% each in Maori and Asian so a clear majority segment of the population but pretty Heterogeneous.

Also to note how ridiculous I think these statistics are I saw on one ranking for 2010 that Guatemala were ranked at number 9. The Us may not be as happy but I think I know which one I would choose.

The more and more this thread goes on, the more and more it becomes painfully clear multicultralism is a buzzword for BROWN PEOPLE

Not that it is very surprising, mind you

ummmm I would disagree. Western Europe has quite a few issues with immigrants from Eastern Europe and the Balkans as well I believe.

I don't consider the US a multicultural society. We assimilated immigrants heavily but we also absorbed some old country practices into the culture. We are sort of a mix match. At least we were now it is more assimilate or leave.

[Strike For The South]

[QUOTE=Centurion1;2053350633]

ummmm I would disagree. Western Europe has quite a few issues with immigrants from Eastern Europe and the Balkans as well I believe.

In England the Polish's biggest problem is what calender they will be put on, I ain't buying it

I don't consider the US a multicultural society. We assimilated immigrants heavily but we also absorbed some old country practices into the culture. We are sort of a mix match. At least we were now it is more assimilate or leave.

All the little Italys, Chinatowns, Cinco de Mayos, and Oktoberfest beg to differ. America has been blugeoned with immigrants since the begininng and yet somehow we've manged to stay afloat. You can't define a singular American culture, well maybe consumerism and obesity.

I want an actual definintion of what multicultralism is and when does a nation state jump the shark. Until then I see nothing but furrowed brows about those scary scary brown people and there scary scary scary religon

[Fragony]

Strictly from my perspective.

What Sweden has gained from multiculturalism:
- Richer food culture.
- More understanding of other nations.
- People who work harder for less.

What Sweden has lost:
- We now have ghettos.
- The use of derogatory names for girls are being common.
- The sense of "The big home", we used to pay high taxes to support our less fortunate citizens (and that was ok), now we find ourselves paying even higher taxes for originally somewhereelses citizens (and that is not ok). Can be seen in the fact that we used to be socialist when we were only Swedes with minor immigration, whereas we have now moved to a more cold society with colder laws and general structures in society at large.

Sweden has to be the example of multiculturalists putting their society to the test, a country governed by a collective narcistic personality disorder