In before teh lock.
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In before teh lock.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
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Re: Who was innocent
Why lock it? It's tasteless and over the top as usual, but Frags touches on a topic that is relevant.
Norwegian intellectuals and politicians are generally pretty naive when it comes to the Middle East. Emulating the Gaza fleet on Utoya must have been a pretty stupid game, as well as childish. We know that said fleet is organised by shady characters and organisations, mostly islamists and their western admirers. In that sense Fragony is right. But the kids didn't deserve to die for it. That's just Fragony's way of coping with a horrible world.
But there is an issue here. For instance I have always wondered why a mouth-foaming islamomidget like mullah Krekar has been tolerated in Norway for so long, whereas an Israel-propagandist like Dershowitz is not allowed to speak at Norwegian universities.
AII
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Of course they didn't have to die, but that stepherd-wife smile Norway freaks me out. Creepy that they have these indoctrination-camps, nothing childish about it, it's malicious. Gutmensch never ceases to amaze me
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Gutmensch has his accomplishments, even with regard to the Middle East he can bridge a gap that others can't.Originally Posted by Fragony
There is an uncanny parallel here, too. Israelis killed 19 unarmed people on the previous Gaza fleet, Breivik killed dozens of unarmed youngsters shortly after they mimicked the present Gaza fleet.
No reason to be so starry-eyed about Israel, me boy.
AII
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That's because political youth camps are by definition misguided. Why would kids have to organize politically and then go to an awkward, everyone-thinks-the-same camp? It just makes no sense.
Last edited by Banquo's Ghost; 07-31-2011 at 18:37.
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The sympathy does not lie with the killers of children, duh. What does such an overstatement make you.
Krekar is not at all being tolerated, but because chances are he will receive the death sentence if he returns to Iraq, he will not be returned at present.
I don't know much about what was going on this annual AUF camp, but political youth camps do sound creepy to me as well. I think most parties here have similar gatherings, though precise details evade my memory.
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Oh, but he is. In 2007 the Norwegian Supreme Court ruled that Krekar was a 'threat to Norway's national security'. He has since uttered death threads against Norwegian politicians as well as loads of other 'enemies'. So why isn't he convicted? Why isn't he even incarcerated?
Do the Norwegian security services have a deal with him, that they will leave him alone if he won't order attacsk on Norwegian soil?
The Brits have tried for years to manage their islamist underworld in this manner: just leave them alone as long as they perpetrate their murders in France, Germany and elsewhere and we don't look bad. Well, they got their comeuppance in 2005. Norway will have to deal decisively with Krekar. That is in the interest of Norwegian muslims as well as Norway as a whole.
AII
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
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Krekar is so far from a threath to our nation than you can get. He has stayed here for 20 years, no bombs so far. If he wished to blow up something here, I'm quite sure he would have done it already. Now, if they had charged him with war crimes in Iraq or something like that, they might be onto something. But a threath against national security? Laughable.
Onto the nature of Utøya.
It is NOT a kids summer camp. Not in any way. Its not a place where parents send their kids.
AUF has two national events. One is the national party meeting, usually in october, where the politics, leadership, etc is decided. The other is Utøya, where all that stuff is debated. Youth parties in Norway have an active role in politics, and Utøya is how AUF prepares itself on a national level for the upcoming election. The rest of the time is spent debating and socializing.
Most are in their late teens/early twenties. To call them kids is to flaunt your ignorance openly.
A game where people play with flags and such? I call BS.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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