Heroic Victories?

**Azi Tohak** · 08-26-2011, 19:32

I tend to smack the AI pretty good in battles on hard, but the only heroic victory I've achieved since the patch was playing as Date when I sent a ~10 - 12 high quality units to invade Sato. I had 900 high quality (katana and no-dachi and bow samurai with some leavening from yari ashis) with a pair of generals against 1700 ashis with 3 or four generals. I sat on a hill because I was attacked after disembarking, and then launched a downhill charge that gutted the Sato army like a fish (it helped the daft AI kept half of their yari ashis sitting uselessly a few hundred meters behind the action), killed their generals and the route was on. I lost ~150 and killed >1500 of the AI army (I needed more cav!).

Immediately after that battle Sato threw their 1200 man army that had been sitting in the capital at my now ~750 man army, and I did the same thing, but no heroic victory.

They're tough to get and I think it has most to do with the balance of power initially.

**Gregoshi** · 08-26-2011, 21:30

I got one of these neat little monuments three years into my first campaign. It is the only one I've got too. I just wish I'd have remembered more about such a significant battle. I do remember the war though - it was my first and it see-sawed back and forth for several years. It was awesome. So I guess it is fitting that my first great war yielded such a remembrance.

**Jakkal** · 09-21-2011, 01:37

Didn't have a heroic victory, but a pyrric victory. When looking at the remnants of my army sure look like it :(

**frogbeastegg** · 09-21-2011, 20:11

At the end of my last campaign I got loads of heroic victories, fighting alongside my vassal. They sent a tiny little stack to support my army as it fought battle after battle against fearsome enemies. At first I was pleased that my little pet Hattori wanted to help me. What a nice idea, what a display of functional vassal-AI, what a lovely bit of flavour for my campaign! I did all of the killing, and my vassal's army never engaged the enemy. After the battle they get a monument commemorating their heroic victory; I got nothing. The same thing happened after the next battle. And the next. And the next. And the next. And the next ...

I found it quite funny.

**Madae** · 09-22-2011, 15:35

I don't get heroic victories that often - at least not at the rate everyone else is saying they get theirs. I think the last heroic victory I got was a relatively even match in terms of numbers, but the enemy had far more experienced troops. The battle itself was almost deadlocked, and I believe the only deciding factor in my favor was the monk I had for a morale bonus. I'm pretty sure without that monk, I would have lost the fight - it was really that close. We were both down to just a handful, some 100-300 men, before the rest of his troops routed. I'm still rather surprised I won that. It was a very tough fight.

So aside from the differences in experience, I think the only other thing that made it qualify as a heroic victory, aside from the fact that I killed all of his units (regardless of the fact that he almost killed all of mine), was that his Daimyo was present and fell in battle too.

**Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout** · 09-26-2011, 07:49

Originally Posted by frogbeastegg

At the end of my last campaign I got loads of heroic victories, fighting alongside my vassal. They sent a tiny little stack to support my army as it fought battle after battle against fearsome enemies. At first I was pleased that my little pet Hattori wanted to help me. What a nice idea, what a display of functional vassal-AI, what a lovely bit of flavour for my campaign! I did all of the killing, and my vassal's army never engaged the enemy. After the battle they get a monument commemorating their heroic victory; I got nothing. The same thing happened after the next battle. And the next. And the next. And the next. And the next ...

I found it quite funny.

Learn from her!:)