BNP are scum, good idea. But it is because of labour that it's Sierra Leondon atmOriginally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
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BNP are scum, good idea. But it is because of labour that it's Sierra Leondon atm
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I will let the British in this forum decide that since I don't live there.
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It kinda is this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-adviser.html
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Hmm, I am still too ignorant about British affairs to make my mind up on the matter.
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It seems that groups of people found out of there is enough of them they can just roam around stealing things from shops and setting whats left on fire. They don't seem to have a objective other than be violent and loot.
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Quite.
People have to be socialised in order to suppress these tendencies in them. Socialised not just by their parents, but by society as a whole. It's too late for these looters anyway. I guess what we're seeing is a return of nineteenth century mob violence. People feel worthless and it shows in the way they destroy everything of value, including the fabric of their own neighbourhood. It's selfdestruction, as Enzensberger says.
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Yep self-destruction and violence and I guess they are counting that someone cleans up after them so when they stop they have somewhere to live.
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Question: If a looter steals 5,000 pounds in cash from various stores and reports it on his tax forms, will he get in trouble?
Philosophical follow up: If he is willing to pay income tax on the money he has stolen does this make the act less reprehensible, even by a little?
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That article is old from 2009 and I would not be surprised if most people involved in the violence were born here (the UK).
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Btw, I am hearing from the comment pages of the commons that the police are more timid than they usually are because of all the bad press they got during the G20 summit and the student riots. Is there any evidence for this?
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RETREAT!!
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actually a fascinating and depressing look into mob psychology. they scented weakness (or thought they did, the cops would still make them their female dogs) and swarmed. I say rubber bullets and tear gas for everyone. That should keep the chavs at home.RETREAT!!
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I don't see anything in that video that warrants a laughing smilie. It terrified me. Those eight policemen were in real danger. These riots now eclipse the Broadwater Farm riots of 1985, where one policeman in a similar situation stumbled and was then killed:RETREAT!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Keith_Blakelock
Last edited by econ21; 08-09-2011 at 15:12.
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DEVILS ADVOCATE: And what is the difference if the policemen were in charge of the situation? G20 showed that police brutality will lead to civilian deaths.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/g...incidents.html
(disclaimer: this is from the point of view of someone in favor of the riots, not my own opinion)
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Holland-England cancelled, is there anything you brits won't do to avoid certain defeat, even if it is friendly
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Ah, they're on to us, quick - hide!
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If these riots affect the EPL, then I say haul all of the off to prison.
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eh I don't give a damn. You wanna loot and burn and riot? You do so at risk of your own life. If troops or police went out and enforced martial law then this would all likely be over soon. And do not say that this is treading on their rights to protest. Because they are not protesting. You cannot be allowed to riot in the name of some protest. You cannot loot and flip cars and commit arson in the name of protest. You are a criminal and you should be happy that live ammunition is not used.
That harsh statement being said I think once this all dies down we will see a very gleeful police force watching all the cctv footage they can and arresting as many people as possible while they flip them off for being idiots.
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Gahhhhhhh, I was going for a reaction from econ21 or one of the other Brits in here. Why did you have to destroy this crappy argument so quickly?
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Yeah, and a lot of innocents woud be killed too. People protesting the looting, people trying to defend their shops, trying to get their kids off the streets or whatever. Simplistic 'solutions' such as yours only make things worse.
AII
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
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They kept their formation better then most of my TW units. Look how they are in a W formation with pairs of large shields in the front and two lighter ones ready to skirmish in and out or assist. Look how uniformly they retreat. There is also a line of bright green-yellow cops not in riot gear covering the deep rear (just waiting for the cav to mount a surprise side charge).
The rioters have numbers. But get enough cops with that discipine to fill the street in ranks of three and that would have been a scene from Spartacus with the cops marching right over them.
Stiff upper lip seems to still be in force.
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A surprisingly good post from Labour Uncut...
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2011/08/09/not-today/Not today. Please, just not today. Laurie Penny, I think you are a beautiful and gifted writer. But don’t tell me violence cannot be mindless. Or that it is all about catharsis. Not today.
Sunny Hundal, your real and passionate desire to break politics free from its straight jacket of committees and speeches and selection meetings does you credit. But please, don’t circulate any more time lapse photography of people’s homes burning and tell me it’s “brilliant” or that it’s “art’. Not today.
Owen Jones, the working class need a voice, and you are an articulate spokesman. But please, no more hand wringing about the dangers of an “authoritarian backlash” against those who tried to loot and burn our city to the ground. Not today.
Ken Livingstone, you were once a great and radical figure. But no one needs to hear your cheap politicking about your statesmanlike dash from the Olympic awards ceremony. Or your back of the envelope theories about how 14 and 15 ear old rioters trashed JD sports because they are not able to provide for their wives and children. Not today.
Boris Johnson, I’d actually liked to have heard something from you. But instead I had to put up with your spokesman Kit Milhouse explaining why it was fit and proper for the Mayor of the world’s greatest capital city to watch from afar as his charge exploded in an orgy of destruction. We’ll no doubt hear the same excuses trotted out often this election year. If we must. But not today.
Theresa May, I understand being the only senior member of the government, (Nick Clegg hardly counts in these circumstances), is tough. But I don’t want to hear any more rubbish about “policing with consent” when that consent has been brutally withdrawn by a small but violent minority. And I’d park the protestations that cutting thousands of police officers won’t have had any operational impact. For today.
David Cameron, I don’t actually blame you for taking a much needed break in Tuscany. And it was nice you made friends with your waitress. But as you sit savouring the taste of your Tuscan Dream please, do one thing for me. For all of us. Don’t tell us we’re all in this together. We are, of course. But we don’t need to hear it from you. Not today.
There is lot we do need to hear. And lots that needs to be said. About the dislocation of inner-city youth. About the link between crime and poverty. About race and resentment. About lack of employment and educational opportunities. The widening gap between the rich and poor. The politics and the sociology and the criminology. All deserve, indeed require, an airing.
We must debate, and examine, and interrogate. We must argue and enquire and report. We must ask ourselves what sort of society we really want to be, and take a deep look within our own communities, and souls.
We must do all of these things. Just not today.
Dan Hodges is contributing editor of Labour Uncut.
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I have nothing but respect for the police so far. They seem to be in an almost impossible position, acting with skill and self-control. This is an interesting article and accompanying video about how the looters organise a hit and run attack on a jewellers in Enfield.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...=ILCNETTXT3487
What shocks me is the sheer number of young people on the street. "Recreational looting" is what Dianne Abbott termed it this morning.
The video below makes me almost physically sick - rioters appearing to help an injured boy up and then robbing him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gex_ya4-Oo
I don't know the full story behind it - who was the boy? Was he innocent or a looter looted? But the inhumanity is shocking.
Last edited by econ21; 08-09-2011 at 15:00.
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Looks like the video I posted above. I got so angry the first time I watched it.
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Just an update - the boy was innocent - a Malaysian student, on his way to buy food to break his Ramadan fast apparently.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...ctim-malaysian
Now please let them identify those who robbed him.
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