Three Wolf Moon [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Maybe, just maybe, the scum kept us alive just so they could attack us for still being alive, huh? If we don't lynch me today I can accept your run for the shirt, that's fine for me.

Okay I accept your challenge.

Unvote me and I'll scan Memnon, and that will clear Memnon and yourself if I am in fact a townie.

But, that won't convince people. They'll need a third party to confirm me. Trouble is, I don't know who all your friends are and I can't guarantee they won't be scum.

I'm not as worried about that though, I just want the scan on Memnon by me. If that happens, then I'll know what's really happening here.

But the point is, you don't really have any case on me.

The case on you is as simple as can be: you're voting for me and I know I'm townie. Best scum catching method I've ever used, and it has the skulls of many who came before you on my mantle.

But, if you want specific reasons, your actions and memnon's actions and the current giving of the shirt to Populus Romanus directly mirrors the behavior of the scumbags who would be performing a "falsely clear your ally" move. It's uncanny.

I don't like coincidences, so that's why I believe it's happening. That plus your vote on me. If it wasn't both happening at once, I'd probably ignore it, but together? Scummiest thing in the universe.

And yeah, the next non-ATPG-shirtholder should investigate him.

Still need impartial names. Who is impartial?

If we assume there's 4 scums on your team, or, if we assume I'm scum and I have my own fictional army of scumbag allies (who are going to let me get lynched today, lol) then who do we trust to be truly impartial with the scans?

That's tough. I don't know who I could recommend to scan me, whose opinion I would trust, whose opinion others would trust. Obviously if I choose folks like Believer or Seamus Fermanagh, given their votes to give me the shirt, it will look like they're my scum buddies.

I dunno. I don't really care about all that. If I get a scan off on Memnon and he flips townie, then I know I can trust Memnon and his scans on Johhog, and Johhog's scans on Populus Romanus by extension.

I'm just wagering none of that happens. I doubt I survive long enough to scan anyone. I doubt if I get the shirt I'll live to see the morning where my results would come through. I wonder if they would even work if I die with the shirt on.

I am thinking I get the shirt, scan Memnon, and I get murdered and there's no detective result. Next person tries to confirm Memnon, same deal happens to them.

Oh I wish I could stay up and think this all through but it is almost 9AM and I have work in 6 hours. I have to sleep.

But I will check in just before work, read this thread as my top priority, and see if we haven't figured this out.



But you know what? I'd rather be Askthepizzaguy and just plain old lynch Johhog. I'm in that kind of mood where I want to take the shirt's results and toss them in the garbage. They mean nothing to me. This is purely for the townie's benefit who want to trust in the shirt to win the game for them.

I don't trust the shirt. I trust my brain. It makes mistakes but is more trustworthy than a device whose results are going to be obviously flawed by the bearer if the bearer is scum, in a game with an unknown number of scum and not tons of time to solve it.

So my top recommendation is me gets the shirt, I scans Memnon, we lynches Johhog.
My next top recommendation is me gets the shirt, I scans Memnon, we lynches nobody.
My next top recommendation is someone besides Populus Romanus or JHT gets the shirt, they scans Memnon, we lynches Johhog.
My next top recommendation is someone besides Populus Romanus or JHT gets the shirt, they scans Memnon, we lynches nobody.
After that, I can't recommend any moves besides No lynch.

[Believer]

Unvote; Populus Romanus.
Vote: ATPG

Vote: Abstain
For now.

[Johhog]

Nah, it would be pointless to lynch me. I personally doubt this thing about scum clearing scum buddies when they get the shirt. A No Lynch is fine for me though.

Guys, remember, if you lynch me, don't give ATPG the shirt, and if you give him the shirt, don't lynch me. You can't have both.

VOTE: Askthepizzaguy
UNVOTE: Askthepizzaguy
VOTE: No Lynch

[johnhughthom]

I personally doubt this thing about scum clearing scum buddies when they get the shirt.

What do you think happens when scum get the shirt?

Vote: Johhog

For now.

[Memnon]

My internet's down because of the hurricane, so i have to use my phone, meaning I can't vote, although if I could I would vote to give pizzaguy the shirt and to lynch monty, apparently the color or bolded text doesn't work on this.
If pizzaguy's assumptions are correct about the mafia-shirt thing, then, unless the shirt malfunctions or something then myself, populus, and johhog are townies, pizza, scan me if you want, but it would only serve to re-clear three people.

[Johhog]

What do you think happens when scum get the shirt?

Vote: Johhog

For now.

How I wish that I knew. Also, JHT, don't say "for now". Everyone voting me needs to tell me why. It's failproof to No Lynch/Lynch someone not me, Memnon or Populus Romanus, because ATPG will scan Memnon tonight, making it unnecessary to lynch me.

[Double A]

Kill Johog! Give Pizza the shirt! Get movie sign!

Ready? Go!

[johnhughthom]

How I wish that I knew. Also, JHT, don't say "for now". Everyone voting me needs to tell me why. It's failproof to No Lynch/Lynch someone not me, Memnon or Populus Romanus, because ATPG will scan Memnon tonight, making it unnecessary to lynch me.

You don't think the mafia get false scans, but don't know what could happen when they get the shirt? I think it's pretty obvious why I'm voting you, if you had given a real answer to my question I might have moved my vote. You didn't, so I won't.

[Johhog]

Guys, I don't know if you did read the game rules or not, but it's NO REVEAL. A lynch on me would be a wasted lynch on a known innocent. Surely you must be able to wait for a day before you lynch me? If Memnon flips guilty, lynch me all you want to.

[Johhog]

You don't think the mafia get false scans, but don't know what could happen when they get the shirt? I think it's pretty obvious why I'm voting you, if you had given a real answer to my question I might have moved my vote. You didn't, so I won't.

Am I missing something obvious here? How do we know what happens when Mafia has the shirt?

[johnhughthom]

Am I missing something obvious here? How do we know what happens when Mafia has the shirt?

We don't, the obvious idea has been suggested and you rejected it with no other suggestions offered.

[Memnon]

Ok, somehow my internet came back up for the moment, so I'll Vote:Askthepizzaguy in order to clear my name, or if something unknown happens, cause me to be lynched.

Vote:Montmorency

That is frightening if the shirt could be used like that by the mafia, but it hasn't for all of my knowledge, I voted Johhog after everyone else did because the shirt had cleared his name. So, yeah, Pizza scan me, in order to resolve this conundrum.

[Tratorix]

Unvote, Vote: Johhog
Unvote, Vote: ATPG

Lets see where this goes.

[Memnon]

Why don't we wait until Pizza's scan of me to lynch Johhog? When I turn up townie, then Johhog will be vindicated, as will Populus, the only problem I see is that Pizza may indeed be mafia, so I'm not sure wghat his scan will produce. All I know is thaut I'm town, and if I am, then so should Johhog, as well as Populus.(sorry for grammaer and/or spelling, back to my phone).

[Montmorency]

I'm sane, Pizza? How nice of you to say so.

There's a problem here though. If you are town, then why would you have a huge, flailing seizure as soon as someone votes you? And of course that would just lead to more votes on you, I mean, come on. Of course, maybe you do just have genuine anger management issues, so eh.

If you really are Mafia, then this situation would be perfect. You check Memnon, he turns up Mafia, and we waste three lynches. Mafia wins.

And you know what? Better to waste one lynch than 3. I'm not going to vote you for anything. I recommend everyone else do the same. Can we find another good shirt candidate, someone besides Pizza?

Unvote: Populus Romanus

[Tratorix]

If you really are Mafia, then this situation would be perfect. You check Memnon, he turns up Mafia, and we waste three lynches. Mafia wins.

But who do we give the shirt to? We can never completely trust that the person we give it to isn't mafia (thanks a lot Zack you evil jerk).

[Johhog]

Everyone voting me needs to unvote NOW. Remember that I will be confirmed town tomorrow.

[Memnon]

All I can say(and hope you believe) is that i'm not mafia, so if i'm not mafia, neither is Johhog, and so neither is Populus, I am a townie, the only way to prove it is to make multiple scans, and that's just a waste, as is not giving the shirt to anyone. Besides, would I be so obviously making a target for lynching out of myself if I was mafia? I'm not completely new to this

[Tratorix]

All I can say(and hope you believe) is that i'm not mafia, so if i'm not mafia, neither is Johhog, and so neither is Populus, I am a townie, the only way to prove it is to make multiple scans, and that's just a waste, as is not giving the shirt to anyone. Besides, would I be so obviously making a target for lynching out of myself if I was mafia? I'm not completely new to this

No, the only way to prove it investigate you. If you come up townie, your scans can be verified, at least for the most part.

Everyone voting me needs to unvote NOW. Remember that I will be confirmed town tomorrow.

I don't think ATPG is a good lynch. Provide me with a better target and I'll consider it.

[Memnon]

What we need is to get the less active people on board to get better profiles, come on people, I just went through a hurricane!

[Montmorency]

That's what I'm saying. If you three are innocent, and Pizza is Mafia, then you will all (presumably) come up as Mafia.

I just don't know. Suggesting that I get the shirt here would be laughable, but I guess I will try.

Vote: Montmorency

Take a chance on me? :/

And that hurricane tweren't even a thang, the tornado did loads more damage.

[Memnon]

Yes, but if all three of us came up as mafia, wouldn't that put suspicion on Pizza as well? I don't know, I guess I'll Vote: Montmorency
Unvote,Vote: Warmansomethingorother

[Believer]

I'm sane, Pizza? How nice of you to say so.

There's a problem here though. If you are town, then why would you have a huge, flailing seizure as soon as someone votes you? And of course that would just lead to more votes on you, I mean, come on. Of course, maybe you do just have genuine anger management issues, so eh.

If you really are Mafia, then this situation would be perfect. You check Memnon, he turns up Mafia, and we waste three lynches. Mafia wins.

And you know what? Better to waste one lynch than 3. I'm not going to vote you for anything. I recommend everyone else do the same. Can we find another good shirt candidate, someone besides Pizza?

Unvote: Populus Romanus

This is the scummiest post yet in the game.
You do remember that it is the host that reveals the result of the lynch, not the player himself? So there is no way for mafia to fudge up who's guilty. You deserve this lynch.

Unvote; Abstain
Vote: Montmorency

[Johhog]

No, the only way to prove it investigate you. If you come up townie, your scans can be verified, at least for the most part.



I don't think ATPG is a good lynch. Provide me with a better target and I'll consider it.

Lynch? I'm voting ATPG for the shirt, not for the lynch.

[B-Wing]

holy crap, tl;dr

OK, since ATPVolcano has erupted from its dormant state, would someone be willing to summarize the new strategy? It obviously involves lynching Johhog, but why are we all giving ATPV the Sacred Shirt?

[Zack]

OK, since ATPVolcano has erupted from its dormant state

[johnhughthom]

PizzaVolcano, mmmm, molten cheese.

[Zack]

Pizza is a dish best served hot-as-lava.

[Memnon]

holy crap, tl;dr

OK, since ATPVolcano has erupted from its dormant state, would someone be willing to summarize the new strategy? It obviously involves lynching Johhog, but why are we all giving ATPV the Sacred Shirt?

To sum it up, Pizza's angry at me and Johhog for not scanning him and thinks that we are involved in a conspiracy as the mafia, he wants the shirt in order to scan me to prove that we three(Memnon, Populus, and Johhog) are town-aligned because when I am proven innocent(unless Pizza is mafia) then we have three proven townies who have not been killed off yet.
The strategy that Pizza supports entails me being scanned, Johhog being lynched, and then follow-up on the scan.

Not to say that I support the lynching of Johhog, because when I'm proven innocent, so will Johhog and Populus, I say lynch the quiet!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm sane, Pizza? How nice of you to say so.

There's a problem here though. If you are town, then why would you have a huge, flailing seizure as soon as someone votes you? And of course that would just lead to more votes on you, I mean, come on. Of course, maybe you do just have genuine anger management issues, so eh.

Hi Montmorency. My name is Askthepizzaguy, I don't believe we've met.

We have now. Consider this standard Askthepizzaguy behavior.

Want evidence of similar behavior? Let me drag out Visions of the Animus so I could point out what happened when Kagemusha was the second person to join my wagon on day 2.

What happened was I had a seizure and insisted he died. Guess what I was right he was mafia. And dead sexy too.

If you really are Mafia, then this situation would be perfect. You check Memnon, he turns up Mafia, and we waste three lynches. Mafia wins.

Yup that's why someone else needs to scan me.

And you know what? Better to waste one lynch than 3. I'm not going to vote you for anything. I recommend everyone else do the same. Can we find another good shirt candidate, someone besides Pizza?

That would be fine, but ideal is to have me scan Memnon.