Three Wolf Moon [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Askthepizzaguy: I know there is much we can learn from each other if we can negotiate a truce. We can find a way to coexist. Can there be a peace between us?

Hint: It's exactly-who-you-think-it-is' alphabetical precedent.

Montmorency: Peeeeeacccce....... No peeeeeeaccce....


Askthepizzaguy: What is it you want us to do?


Montmorency: Dieeeeee....... Di-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-eeeeee.......

Yes, Askthepizzaguy should be your first target, he's hasn't been targeted in the first night of any game in ever. In ever.

Congrats on not hitting me N1. Funny, I even asked for it this time.

Alright, I've decided that I'm not going to type out Warman's ridiculous name, I will continue to refer to him as Warman. Since I don't really want to type out Populous Romanus either though, I will refer to him as Pop Rocks.

Vote: Pop Rocks for confusing me.

That's a very lame case.

Vote: Johhog, reasons as above.

Vote: Populous as a means of exerting pressure. Thoughts?

I think you're scum!

Really not liking this bandwagon, especially Believer and Montmorency. Believer especially seems to have just jumped on both popular votes, not to mention he's third on the bandwagon. But then Monty comes along with an even weaker vote.

Unvote: PR, Vote: Montmorency

Ooh hold the telly. What's all this then?

No lynch is better for town. It gives us time to identify everyone. Of course, it's not good for the backlog of Mafia games. I just realized that recently.

What did I say in Swords and D20's III. Anyone here remember? What did I say?

And was I scum for saying it? Yeeeep.

No lynches are lame!

I'm guilty. Lynch me.

No lynches are lame. Wanna know why?

• Nearly killed John D1
• Nearly killed Montmorency D2

That's why.

Voting "no lynch" in the early game feeds right into mafia goals. The mafia wants to be the only ones killing early on so as to minimize the chance of early investigations identifying one. The time for "no lynch" votes, if ever, is in the mid to late game when investigation suspects have been narrowed. Moreover, your assumption of one mid-game lynch in your metric is optimistic in practice. Read over some of Sasaki's comments on the no lynch route.

Populus squirmed enough for now. Unvote: Populus; Vote: Montmorency.

You're just too willing to let the mafia set the pace. Believer too, with his minimal vote support and third on the bandwagon status, also bears some evaluation.

Here we go, call some bluffs.

unvote, vote: Montmorency

I'm doing the lazy strategy this time because I'm still disappoint.

Scan me tonight.

Monty wagon!!!

Meh. B_Ray. Haven't really been following up on this game so.........

Seems completely uninterested in the pressure on Monty.

Alright then, now that's clarified I'll

vote: Johhog

And, on a hunch (read: random guess as nobody has made a decent case yet)

vote: Seamus Fermanagh

Me likey.

I think I will vote Ishmael because his hesitant play-it-safe attitude seems unfitting for a townie.

Interesting. And Seon was murdered promptly thereafter?

Maybe to frame Ishmael? After all, we already killed guy voting for Johnhughthom. Now we can't keep killing folks that vote for us, that would be rather obvious.



And what happens next? Vote was tied. By whom?

I'm not going to hunt through several thousand posts for this, so I'll take your word for it.

Unvote; Vote: PopulusRomanus

I thought we'd at least compromised on "better for mid-to-late game."

But but but but what happened to No Lynch?

Oh yeah, tying the vote makes it a No Lynch.

So, no consistent policy except to self-save. And he's voting to lynch a person who got scanned as a townie.

AND he's panicking! Oh I love it.

And Johhog has a good target.

Do I detect the sweet smell of perfect information syndrome and distancing, the heady mix of herbs and spices that leads me to believe you're both scum?

Yes, yes I do.

We are now honor-bound to defend each other to the death. We share a bond deeper than that known by any other men.

Snuggling the dude you tried to kill? Feeling rather exposed, aren't ya?

Indeed I have, but not who you think...

So Johhog thinks that it is Populus Romanus who was scum in that equation.

Well, close. But I'm not the one who's so far away.




Johhog scans Populus Romanus and finds him townie.

He nearly had Montmorency, and John's distancing would have made him look good. Not to me, but you know, to like people who would believe it and junk.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...8#post10167408

jht needs to be investigated eventually.

GREAT IDEA.

Can't leta guy have a bit of fun, eh? I wasn't particularly serious about the No Lynch campaign, it came about by accident yesterday. I just noted that if patience and the Mafia schedule/calendar were not issues, we would be better off not lynching for a while.

But a veteran did say No Lynches were useful near the endgame, so we'll see when we get there.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Hear that, scum? MURDER ME AND IT STOPS

ROFLCOPTER!!!

WASN'T SERIOUS ABOUT THE NO LYNCH CAMPAIGN???? You argued harder for that than anything else this whole game.

LYNCH THIS SCUMBAG.

No death reveals, hadn't noticed that.

Vote: ATPG

A chance to discredit Memnon, Johhog, and Populus Romanus?

Sign me up, says scum John.

What do you think happens when scum get the shirt?

Vote: Johhog

For now.

Or you could lynch THIS scumbag.

That's what I'm saying. If you three are innocent, and Pizza is Mafia, then you will all (presumably) come up as Mafia.

I just don't know. Suggesting that I get the shirt here would be laughable, but I guess I will try.

Vote: Montmorency

Take a chance on me? :/

And that hurricane tweren't even a thang, the tornado did loads more damage.

You REALLY want that shirt, dontcha?

Don't you wish your buddies had a shirt like this?

holy crap, tl;dr

OK, since ATPVolcano has erupted from its dormant state, would someone be willing to summarize the new strategy? It obviously involves lynching Johhog, but why are we all giving ATPG the Sacred Shirt?

Oh, B_ray.... you were doing so well.

Tsk tsk tsk.

You like the bad idea I had, but HATE the good idea I had? Such a shame.

I'm sane, Pizza? How nice of you to say so.

There's a problem here though. If you are town, then why would you have a huge, flailing seizure as soon as someone votes you? And of course that would just lead to more votes on you, I mean, come on. Of course, maybe you do just have genuine anger management issues, so eh.

If you really are Mafia, then this situation would be perfect. You check Memnon, he turns up Mafia, and we waste three lynches. Mafia wins.

And you know what? Better to waste one lynch than 3. I'm not going to vote you for anything. I recommend everyone else do the same. Can we find another good shirt candidate, someone besides Pizza?

Unvote: Populus Romanus

This is the scummiest post yet in the game.
You do remember that it is the host that reveals the result of the lynch, not the player himself? So there is no way for mafia to fudge up who's guilty. You deserve this lynch.

Unvote; Abstain
Vote: Montmorency

Holy poop, Believer is ON FIRE!!!

And I noted that if Pizza is Mafia, his scan of Memnon would likely mark him as Mafia. This would end in the town wasting 3 lynches on Memnon, Johhog, and Populus. Which would cost town the game.

Monty HATES me scanning Memnon. I love his unrealistic scare tactic "This would end in the town wasting 3 lynches" because obviously townies never change their minds over the course of three rounds?

Can't even keep their minds in one spot on ONE round.



What happens next? My unvote of Johhog actually spares Johhog

Johhog: 2 (JHT, Tratorix)
ATPG: 2 (B_Ray, Ishmael)


Memnon: 1 (ATPG)
Montmorency: 1 (Believer)
Warman: 1 (Memnon)

Abstain: 0

Not Voting: 6 (bestrfcplayer, Montmorency, Populus Romanus, Seamus Fermanagh, Yaropolk, Warman)

You're welcome, Joh!

Sadly, I should have followed Believer.

Look who was voting for you, Johhog. Johnhughthom and Tratorix. At least one of those is a dirty scumbag.



So no lynch, and what happens next?

So you were scum, Pizzaboy!

Re-he-he-he-he-he-eeeally?

Got to this late on Sunday.

Interesting argument from pizza, and I agree it would be a deliciouslsy devious trick by Zack.

Surprisingly, for me, memnon voted for monty without much support and then when pressured, voted for warman....a second vote for little reason in the same round. Does seem like squirming to me.

I would've vote memnon

Really Seamus?

Monty looks scummier than Memnon during that exchange.




So anyways.

1. Montmorency
2. Johnhughthom
3. Seamus Fermanagh or B_Ray

Yes Pizza, you need to get that fourth candidate. That will be half the players you'll have said are mafia, you've a great chance at being right with some of them and saying "See, see everybody, I was right. I'm Askthepizzaguy and I'm awesome." And stuff.

So, would WIFOM be an acceptable defence to you right now? Kinda, I wouldn't kill you if mafia and stuff like that. No? Okay.

Why are you so focused on four mafia?

How about we lynch Montmorency before Seamus Fermanagh? I'm more sure on him, or Johnhughthom.

Seamus could just be my coincidentally looks like a scumbag townie in between two scumbags.

And John, this is possibly the single scummiest post I've ever seen, anywhere, ever, ever, ever, ever.


I bet you 1,000 pizzaguy points that John is scum with Montmorency.

Less sure on Seamus.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just to reiterate, I'm much much more sure on John and Monty than I am on Seamus.

Scan Seamus, kill Monty or John.

[Ishmael]

I do buy your logic, although it obviously isn't 100% conclusive, but I'm also voting Seamus for selfish reasons - if he turns out to be scum and I'm talked out of lynching him, I'll feel terribly embarrassed after the game is over (I'm looking at you, Visorslash).

[Askthepizzaguy]

I do buy your logic, although it obviously isn't 100% conclusive, but I'm also voting Seamus for selfish reasons - if he turns out to be scum and I'm talked out of lynching him, I'll feel terribly embarrassed after the game is over (I'm looking at you, Visorslash).

It's fair enough Ishmael. I'm just pushing theories out there, I can't vote, and I can't stop you from doing your own thing.

Your objective as of right now is to find out which one is the best lynch that I'm not recommending. Don't leave it up to me to solve this, please by all means scum-hunt. It's pro-town of you to do so.

Find the scums, gimme reasons.

[Visor]

I do buy your logic, although it obviously isn't 100% conclusive, but I'm also voting Seamus for selfish reasons - if he turns out to be scum and I'm talked out of lynching him, I'll feel terribly embarrassed after the game is over (I'm looking at you, Visorslash).

Who talked you out of lynching me? Monty?

[Ishmael]

Who talked you out of lynching me? Monty?

Myself

[Visor]

[Ishmael]

I'll take a different approach to ATPG, and list the people I think aren't scum (no way that this will come back to bite me later, no sirree):

Ishmael
Believer
Bestrfcplayer
Tratorix
Yarapolk (most questionable of this lot, I don't really know his style)

I frankly can't be bothered to trawl through the thread to find evidence to support this list, and it's based entirely on intuition anyway. I'm also not really sold on B_Ray being scummy, but I'll refrain from making any judgement at present. Finally, I don't want to touch the scan results with a ten foot stick at the moment, considering all the weird mechanisms that have been bandied about - I'll let other people analyse those.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll take a different approach to ATPG, and list the people I think aren't scum (no way that this will come back to bite me later, no sirree):

Ishmael
Believer
Bestrfcplayer
Tratorix
Yarapolk (most questionable of this lot, I don't really know his style)

I frankly can't be bothered to trawl through the thread to find evidence to support this list, and it's based entirely on intuition anyway. I'm also not really sold on B_Ray being scummy, but I'll refrain from making any judgement at present. Finally, I don't want to touch the scan results with a ten foot stick at the moment, considering all the weird mechanisms that have been bandied about - I'll let other people analyse those.

I believe you on Believer.
I believe you on Bestrfc (for now).
Yaropolk I'd scan, not lynch. He's leaving few tells for sure, and he's not very flinchy. But he's VERY good, I wouldn't count him out as scum based on this record this game. he's good enough to pull it off.

Tratorix, I get the scummy vibes from. His vote on Monty could be distancing, I'm anxious to see if he follows up this round on Monty.

As for yourself, getting better. But the vote on me plus the shirt still made no sense. That's going to haunt you if we don't end this game quickly, Ishmael.

[Johhog]

Oh well, I'll blindly follow ATPG just to stand there like an idiot if he's wrong.
UNVOTE: Seamus Fermanagh
VOTE: Montmorency
Scan Seamus then and if all goes as planned we lynch JHT tomorrow?

[Johhog]

Oh, almost forgot, what do you have to say about Warman ATPG? He's a lot quieter than normal.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, almost forgot, what do you have to say about Warman ATPG? He's a lot quieter than normal.

Firstly, I just want to say you're awesome for even bothering to read all that.

As for Warman, his style of play is to not be particularly discussion-oriented. He will vote, usually, so he's not a worthless townie when he's townie.

You hear that Warman? Positive things to say.

That said, if he's scum, he's not going to leave a lot of tells other than his vote record. And he's leaving a vote record to examine.

See who flips scum, don't even bother scanning him yet. So far, his play reads okay to me. Not in the same style as a talker player, but still contributing in his own way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh well, I'll blindly follow ATPG just to stand there like an idiot if he's wrong.
UNVOTE: Seamus Fermanagh
VOTE: Montmorency
Scan Seamus then and if all goes as planned we lynch JHT tomorrow?

Yes. This is a very good plan. I highly endorse it, I like it a lot.

Seamus is doing a scummy thing here or there, but others are doing way scummier things.

He warrants a scan, others warrant immediate death.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Oh, almost forgot, what do you have to say about Warman ATPG? He's a lot quieter than normal.

Ain't I always quiet?

Firstly, I just want to say you're awesome for even bothering to read all that.

As for Warman, his style of play is to not be particularly discussion-oriented. He will vote, usually, so he's not a worthless townie when he's townie.

You hear that Warman? Positive things to say.

That said, if he's scum, he's not going to leave a lot of tells other than his vote record. And he's leaving a vote record to examine.

See who flips scum, don't even bother scanning him yet. So far, his play reads okay to me. Not in the same style as a talker player, but still contributing in his own way.

Sums me up just about right.

Vote: Warman

Isn't he usually active?

Define active.

I'll do my usual, which is Vote:WarmanCrazyName, and I'll also point out that I am town! Yippee! Although unfortunate that the one who stirred up the game and made it more interesting is dead... Requiescat in Pace, Pizza.(4 years of Latin!)
I'll also Vote: Populus Romanus, because that just makes sense

You giving me ideas for me name, you know that right?

[Memnon]

Before we continue anymore, I think we need a tally of votes to make sure we don't get another accidental no-lynch, unfortunately, I have to run 9 miles soon, so if someone else could please do this. Interesting idea Pizzaguy, I wonder how many mafia we really have?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Before we continue anymore, I think we need a tally of votes to make sure we don't get another accidental no-lynch, unfortunately, I have to run 9 miles soon, so if someone else could please do this. Interesting idea Pizzaguy, I wonder how many mafia we really have?

With a true investigation result (assuming townie uses it) expect there to be at least one or two additional scums over standard vanilla.

That means the goal is to make sure scums get the shirt. That's one reason why Monty looks so bad right now.

I have to nap now but a tally would be useful. I do know if you vote for Montmorency you'll be pushing the tally away from a tie.

IIRC the tally is like Seamus 2, Monty 2, Yaropolk 2, Warman 2 or something.

Switch your votes to Montmorency.

[Yaropolk]

I actually like Pizza's analysis on Seamus better. Unvote; Vote: Seamus

Also, I am sure there will be a twist to the investigations with the shirt. I dont know whether it always returns innocent or whether scum can decide their own results, but something will definitely be up, believe me. For that purpose I'd like to have a second chain of investigations independent of the first.

I am asking for the shirt with the promise that I will investigate the person who gets the 2nd most lynches (so the most suspicious person that's not lynched). I am sure in my own innocence and this will give me some insight into what the shirt actually does. For the rest of you it should give some comfort that I am not going to direct the lynch in private but will let democracy decide.

[Memnon]

You giving me ideas for me name, you know that right?

NOOOO! I'm sorry world! Anyways, it looks like Monty's going down, although I haven't kept a record, so just to be sure Unvote,Vote:Montmorency

As for who to scan, I'd agree with Populus, john would be a good scanee, but I'd also like one for Tratorix eventually