Three Wolf Moon [Concluded]

[Visor]

Options:

1. The shirt is legit, reveals mafia and townie. More scums than usual.
2. Reveals everyone as town, ergo useless.
3. Reveals a person according to the day they've been scanned. (Every fourth scannee is mafia, etc).
4. The shirt needs a double scan on mafiosi.
5. Mafia scanning mafia equal town.
6. Mafia scan town equal mafia.

Probably some more but theses are the options worth considering.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So intentionally scan someone you think is townie, mister Populus.

We'll blind lynch the rest, or find out something very surprising.

[Montmorency]

Ugh, if you're actually townie, this is a particularly spectacular failure in progress.

Well, at least I'm spectacular at something.

[Visor]

Monty, you're being more useless than me. :P

[Populus Romanus]

Pretty sure he was mafia, otherwise why would he be so intentionally confusing.

[Visor]

That's not the way he plays either, in my opinion. SO you may be right.

Gotta say no lynches also help the mafia, though they can be helpful, we need lynches for analysis. And if the scumbags know that the shirt is useless and a gimmick to trick the town, they might suggest it.

[Montmorency]

That's not the way he plays either, in my opinion. SO you may be right.

In both Vespasian and The Thing I was town, and yet my play style for the first just doesn't compare to the other's. I guess I tailor it to suit my moods. The one common denominator is that I talk too much.

[Visor]

Very different situations.

THough we're both guilty of the talking too much.

[Populus Romanus]

So intentionally scan someone you think is townie, mister Populus.

We'll blind lynch the rest, or find out something very surprising.

I believe the shirt should be used to find mafia, not townies. We already have plenty of those identified.

[Visor]

I believe the shirt should be used to find mafia, not townies. We already have plenty of those identified.

So you think. The shirt is useless in my opinion.

[Ishmael]

So you think. The shirt is useless in my opinion.

I must say, I'm leaning towards the view that the shirt does exactly what we were told, and that Zack is laughing at us all as we think up more and more convoluted theories. It's worth noting that nobody overtly scummy has been scanned yet.

[Visor]

You next scumbag.

[TheLastDays]

Very different situations.

THough we're both guilty of the talking too much.

Pffff. amateurs. Look at Netherworld for someone who really talks too much

Well, I haven't followed this game as closely as I usually do, being lynched on D1 and all but I don't think the shirt is completely useless. It would be a total move from the host to set the whole game up around a fake claim...

[Visor]

Pffff. amateurs. Look at Netherworld for someone who really talks too much

I'm worse when I get going. On Day 3 of Music mafia I had around 90ish posts by that time. :/ Over 300 in ATPG mafia II.

[Askthepizzaguy]

653 posts in De'endee Mafia.

More than my Capo III performance.

[Visor]

Pffff. amateurs. Look at Netherworld for someone who really talks too much

Well, I haven't followed this game as closely as I usually do, being lynched on D1 and all but I don't think the shirt is completely useless. It would be a total move from the host to set the whole game up around a fake claim...

Well not really. I haven't read it, but from what I have heard, the Golden Rule had the host as scum. It would be something interesting to see. Not a move. It's interesting to see the theories, etc. You could be right, and we haven't scanned a scum yet.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Technically, in the Golden Rule, everyone was scum with the same role. The way they won was last person standing or "and they lived happily ever after" by refusing to lynch or murder each other.

[Visor]

Ah, I see. What a game.

Scumbags, please don't kill me tonight, thanks. Townie players, I don't want the damned shirt scan because I am scum. Kthxbye.



In all seriousness, watch this:

This is a game, completely vanilla except there is no reveals on death, and there is a mystical shirt that can apparently scan someone. Now, in a standard 17 player game, there a three mafiosi, usually, correct? In Vespasian there was and that's good enough. This game has a twist, and that is the shirt. We are focusing on the shirt where we shouldn't be. We should be focusing on in thread behaviour and posts. The shirt is not only a distraction, it may be completely useless. We have no idea if we have lynched a scum, or if we have lynched town. The scan doesn't say that they are CONFIRMED town, just that they have been SCANNED town. There is a difference folks. No lynch, is not a good idea. We need analysis, because we will need to...

WAIT A SECOND...

The shirt grants the wearer the ability to perform an alignment scan on a player of their choosing. Use of this ability is mandatory if you are in possession of the shirt. If you don't send in an order, I will random.org it. The scan result will be made known publicly in the update.

SCAN MONTMORENCY. It may be accurate on DEAD players, not living players. And we can confirm a scum. DO IT POPULUS!

[Visor]

Populus, read my prior post please.

The OP says nothing about not allowing the scanning of DEAD players. And it may only work on dead players. This is the way to check alignments, if you truly believe in the shirt. Populus, don't scan someone random, or Memnon or whatever, I will change my user title to "Failure" if I'm not right, ha. Scan Monty, the shirt won't work properly on alive players, I betcha. Too bloody unfair to the mafia unless they have a lot of members. It is a way of scanning after death possibly. I dunno, just throwing out ideas, but please, scan Monty tonight!

[Askthepizzaguy]

The sound of Askthepizzaguy butting in: Ask Zack first if it is legal to scan the dead / will return a result. Otherwise proceed as planned.

[Visor]

Yes, you're right. I just sent him a PM.

Extra:

If Monty is allowed to be scanned and is scum:
Then score one for us! We should now use this to scan dead people, to make sure what they are. Or if we have no dead suspects, scan a townie. Lynch EVERY round. This is how we win. Next goes Johnhughthom for the lynch. Of course the shirt could be lying, but my suspicions are that it wouldn't be...

If Monty is allowed to be scanned and is town:
Weird. Either the shirt is useless or he really is town. Use as either a dead suspect scanner, or Pizza's plan.

If we can't scan dead players, my idea of what we should do:
Someone try scanning themself? Or try scanning suspects.

It's been a while since I've been able to get into a mafia game lol.

[Visor]

Another thought occurs...

Zack is not a new, unexperienced host. He would've considered the balance issues if the shirt confirmed people as town.

Therefore I doubt the scan's use against alive players. But if we can't use it against dead players... I need confirmation.

[Ishmael]

Although another thing about him being an experienced host is that he knows just how much scepticism the shirt's results would receive, and possibly planned for that. It's a bit of a WIFOM situation, so I agree with Visorslash that we need clear confirmation of whatever theory we run with.

[Visor]

Memnon: "I checked Double A's room; he's dead. I tried to use the power of the shirt to determine his murderer -- for his throat was slit -- but it was to no avail. All I discovered was that Johhog didn't do it." (Johhog has been scanned as town!)

Reading the writeups...

Johhog didn't do it. But his scum buddy might've.

MAYBE

It can only catch the scums if that one scum commits the murder? Like, say I decide to murder B_Ray tonight, and I am scanned, I would come up scum. But if my scum partner Ishamel was scanned he would come up town? That's a possiblity.

[Zack]

The rules do not prohibit scanning dead players.

(However, if you don't send in a target, I will only random.org to scan a living player.)

Oh, and you guys are awesome. Great entertainment.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

B Ray:

Thanks for the kind thoughts. However, I don't really try to post a lot in mafia threads anymore; true for the last couple of years if you run the numbers. Also, I very much AM hosting capo already. I have been rewriting role sheets of and on for days now; interacting with the artist (his new concept is wonderful); and monitoring the sign up thread for updating etc. Hosting the huge games requires quite a lot of lead up work or the whole thing runs poorly.

Pizza:

Cannot argue that I am beyond using such a lurk approach. In point of fact I have been trying to keep my posts at this 1.5/phase level so as not to twig those using meta-detective strategies as easily as I used to do so. I learned much from Kommodus.


On the shirt:

I haven't played a zack game before, so I do not know how intricately he formats things. However, it is possible that the shirt does not scan current player status but that the shirt ENACTS player status. Moreover, the three wolf thing, thematically, suggests three mafiosi; or alternatively that every third scanee is somehow different than the previous two (made mafia?). There are almost too many possibilities for consideration, depending on how far you take it.

So, to those of you who have gamed in his games before, just how far will our host twist things to keep us hopping?

[Askthepizzaguy]

The rules do not prohibit scanning dead players.

(However, if you don't send in a target, I will only random.org to scan a living player.)

Oh, and you guys are awesome. Great entertainment.

From this, I'd conclude that it is at least equally useful to scan the living; therefore I wouldn't bother with the dead.

If Monty's town, knowing that won't really help us catch scum, and it breaks the chain.

Never break the chain.

If Monty's guilty, he's freaking dead. Move on.

[Montmorency]

So, to those of you who have gamed in his games before, just how far will our host twist things to keep us hopping?

Mmmmm.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Populus Romanus]

Damnit Monty I cannot view spoilers on my kindle. :<

I am scanning Johnhughtom. It would be a waste of time to scan Monty because he is dead. Furthermore it would break the chain.

Nor do I believe the shirt is useless,why would Zack make the whole game around a useless item?

[johnhughthom]

The sound of Askthepizzaguy butting in

Such a common sound we don't even notice it anymore.

I am scanning Johnhughtom.

Who is this chap, the name is quite similar to mine.