Can't post in the frontroom

[a completely inoffensive name]

For some reason I am prevented from posting in every thread of the frontroom. I don't understand.

[Hosakawa Tito]

[TinCow]

You appear to have been put on a restricted posting list for that forum. I suggest you discuss this with the Frontroom moderators.

[Secura]

For some reason I am prevented from posting in every thread of the frontroom. I don't understand.

What you're seeing is basically one of the new sanctions that moderators can apply in addition to (or in lieu of) warnings/infraction points.

Previously, the Backroom was pretty much the only section where a mod could revoke access at any time, so our Tech Admin tinkered around so that this could be applied to posting priveleges in any subforum. This can also be used to prevent a member from posting in a certain thread, perhaps if their arguments are getting too aggressive, suggestive or whatnot.

[Reenk Roink]

Who gets banned from the FRONTROOM acin?

[Montmorency]

Slippery slope slippery slope slippery slo - oh, this is what made the Thing game possible? Never mind.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Who gets banned from the FRONTROOM acin?

I know right? This makes zero sense.

[Hosakawa Tito]

For the record, I did not know this new sanction tool was in place or how it works. Considering this is legit and not a joke, the pic I posted is inappropriate and in poor taste. For that I apologize and will remove it immediately.

[Beskar]

Did you not receive a PM going "You are now restricted from posting in the frontroom for reasons x, y and z?"

[Secura]

I know right? This makes zero sense.

What doesn't make sense? Perhaps we can elaborate further, if you approach the Frontroom team privately.

Did you not receive a PM going "You are now restricted from posting in the frontroom for reasons x, y and z?"

Unfortunately, that was not the case; though we've had the capability to restrict access for a few weeks now, this is the first instance that the tool has been used and we're still getting to grips with it. In the future, if one's access to a thread/subforum restricted, they'll be notified either via PM or as part of the warning/infraction process.

It's not something that we want to have to resort to, but the two-day ban wasn't really deterring people and we didn't want to just extend bans to a week or whatnot; one's misdemeanours in one subforum shouldn't prevent them from posting elsewhere, particularly when their behaviour in other areas of the Org might be exemplary.

This way, you might be prevented from posting in the Frontroom (for example), but you'd still be able to contribute elsewhere rather than an outright, forum-wide posting restriction due to an extended ban.

[a completely inoffensive name]

What doesn't make sense? Perhaps we can elaborate further, if you approach the Frontroom team privately.

It doesn't make sense that out of all the places I would get banned, it would be the frontroom. I am sure everyone here had their money on my perma ban being from a backroom post of mine.

Unfortunately, that was not the case; though we've had the capability to restrict access for a few weeks now, this is the first instance that the tool has been used and we're still getting to grips with it. In the future, if one's access to a thread/subforum restricted, they'll be notified either via PM or as part of the warning/infraction process.

It's not something that we want to have to resort to, but the two-day ban wasn't really deterring people and we didn't want to just extend bans to a week or whatnot; one's misdemeanours in one subforum shouldn't prevent them from posting elsewhere, particularly when their behaviour in other areas of the Org might be exemplary.

This way, you might be prevented from posting in the Frontroom (for example), but you'd still be able to contribute elsewhere rather than an outright, forum-wide posting restriction due to an extended ban.

Two day ban wasn't deterring people because the frontroom is boring. When you have PI making idiotic girl threads that blatantly provoke sexual replies and discussions you should check to see why everyone is continuing to misbehave when they have such a fun selection of "One word story" threads to post in.

For christs sake you have a babe thread, and you wonder why people might get the wrong impression about what is acceptable in the frontroom.

Nah, there really isn't anything to talk about privately with the frontroom admins. All you are going to do is lecture and make deals with me that you dont want anyone to see because it puts all of you in a bad light.

EDIT: Oh excuse me, I see there is a riveting conversation between two esteemed members of the org arguing about colors. I just want to jump right in.

[Montmorency]

This isn't the only forum on the web? I hear Reddit has lots of content.

[Secura]

I am sure everyone here had their money on my perma ban being from a backroom post of mine.

The ban isn't permanent, though the duration is ultimately up to the moderator that added you to the restricted posting list.

Two day ban wasn't deterring people because the frontroom is boring. When you have PI making idiotic girl threads that blatantly provoke sexual replies and discussions you should check to see why everyone is continuing to misbehave when they have such a fun selection of "One word story" threads to post in.

If it bores you so much, why are you not making an effort to change that rather than trying to exacerbate things?

The Frontroom is for off-topic conversation that's too light for the Backroom so there's never going to be anything heavily philosophical or political, but if you find that people aren't talking about the sort of things that interest you, why not bring them up yourself? If you have ideas for good conversation, start the threads! If you're frustrated by these "idiotic threads", report them! :P

For christs sake you have a babe thread, and you wonder why people might get the wrong impression about what is acceptable in the frontroom.

The thing is, there's such a marked difference between the Babe Thread and throwing out overtly graphic/sexual comments; posting a picture of Alessandra Ambrosio in her smalls is perfectly fine, commenting that you wonder how many digits you can insert into various orifices is not.

If you really have a problem with the Babe Thread, then bring it up here; were a consensus reached among Orgahs, I would gladly see to it that it's unstickied/locked/deleted. If there's content/changes that you'd like to see, then this is the place to bring them up if you don't want to approach the respective Moderators/Content Managers privately.

Nah, there really isn't anything to talk about privately with the frontroom admins. All you are going to do is lecture and make deals with me that you dont want anyone to see because it puts all of you in a bad light.

The option to discuss it privately was for your benefit, in the event that you didn't want to 'air your dirty laundry in public', as it were. I have no qualms with discussing it here, if that's your preference.

[Hamata]

Either to many points or a local moderator banned you

ps I just speed read this thread so I dont know if i'm taking the obvious ancewer

[a completely inoffensive name]

This isn't the only forum on the web? I hear Reddit has lots of content.

You mean the hivemind that downvotes into oblivion any opinion different from the majority? Yes, great discussion there.

[a completely inoffensive name]

If it bores you so much, why are you not making an effort to change that rather than trying to exacerbate things?

You mean like these:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...sale-is-a-joke.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...anging-my-name.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...nment-election.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...a-free-T-shirt
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...-in-Santa-Cruz...

Now these threads imo were all successes, they provided me with a reason to check the Frontroom every couple hours or so. But I don't see the same kind of silly yet PG threads that can spur odd but interesting conversations from other people. I see org vs twc, 5 loooong threads that have been around for infinity because it lumps a large topic (football, language) or is a game (one word story) and Hooahguy's girl thread making 90% of what is currently active on the Frontroom (not including the stickies).

The Frontroom is for off-topic conversation that's too light for the Backroom so there's never going to be anything heavily philosophical or political, but if you find that people aren't talking about the sort of things that interest you, why not bring them up yourself? If you have ideas for good conversation, start the threads! If you're frustrated by these "idiotic threads", report them! :P

See above. But also I don't see why philosophy is automatically relegated to backroom material. There are many philosophical subjects that are not backroom level controversial. If I made a thread asking how everyone learns and it has some heavily epistemological flavor to it, why must be it be put away in the members only section?

The thing is, there's such a marked difference between the Babe Thread and throwing out overtly graphic/sexual comments; posting a picture of Alessandra Ambrosio in her smalls is perfectly fine, commenting that you wonder how many digits you can insert into various orifices is not.

Babe thread at its heart is a bunch of men objectifying the bodies of women. Not saying this is super duper wrong, but because our users might use more flowery language to describe the women, it doesn't make it any different than this place: http://boards.ign.com/teh_vestibule/...4986481/p1/?15

If you really have a problem with the Babe Thread, then bring it up here; were a consensus reached among Orgahs, I would gladly see to it that it's unstickied/locked/deleted. If there's content/changes that you'd like to see, then this is the place to bring them up if you don't want to approach the respective Moderators/Content Managers privately.

I have no problem with the Babe thread, I just want to make it clear that the typical PI/Hooahguy thread about women is going to lead down the same road it always has and it seems absurd to sit back every time and say "Hooahguy is complaining about women? Gee, lets see how this goes..." You know, Frags had a really good woman bashing thread in the backroom, I think that establishes a precedent of where those types of threads should go.

The option to discuss it privately was for your benefit, in the event that you didn't want to 'air your dirty laundry in public', as it were. I have no qualms with discussing it here, if that's your preference.

What is my dirty laundry? The post I made publicly which was taken down? If there is something to discuss and I am asking about it in a thread, go ahead and reply. If it something I haven't yet brought up in the watchtower go ahead and message me. Either way is fine with me.

[Tuuvi]

Going off on a tangent but I agree with acin the frontroom could use some more interesting threads.

[johnhughthom]

Going off on a tangent but I agree with acin the frontroom could use some more interesting threads.

Well start them then.

[Husar]

You sound like it's the moderators' fault that the Frontroom doesn't have any threads that interest you.
And that somehow makes it okay to break the rules?

I don't post in the Frontroom myself a lot, never have, just go to the forums with things that are interesting and post there.
I'm not sure about non-political philosophy in the Frontroom, I think it does belong there, in a way all this advice on women is light philosophy as well.
Did you mention this because of an incident where your topic was moved or are you just assuming it's not allowed?

[Andres]

Well start them then.

That's my thought exactly, unless the point is that the "interesting threads" cannot be created because of the current FR policy.

In that case, it would be helpful to explain or point out which kind of threads exactly would be interesting and which part of the policy prevents such threads to be created in the FR.

[Tuuvi]

Well start them then.

Ok I will, if I can think of something interesting to talk about. My tire shop thread I started a few weeks ago got 2 responses

[Subotan]

You mean the hivemind that downvotes into oblivion any opinion different from the majority? Yes, great discussion there.

Depends on the /r/ you're in. Get out of /r/politics!

If it bores you so much, why are you not making an effort to change that rather than trying to exacerbate things?

It's hard to create content for a board that is for "everything that is ¬Backroom material" that isn't rather frivolous.

If you really have a problem with the Babe Thread, then bring it up here; were a consensus reached among Orgahs, I would gladly see to it that it's unstickied/locked/deleted. If there's content/changes that you'd like to see, then this is the place to bring them up if you don't want to approach the respective Moderators/Content Managers privately.

I personally dislike it. If I wanted a daily dose of softcore, I'd buy the Sun.

[Drunk Clown]

Start talking about your mom, I think it's very interesting.

[a completely inoffensive name]

You sound like it's the moderators' fault that the Frontroom doesn't have any threads that interest you.
And that somehow makes it okay to break the rules?

I'm saying it is everyone's fault. People don't make interesting threads, and because of that, any thread sticks around, including the blatantly bad ones which end up having the moderators come in and temp ban people because they were talking "inappropriately" in the only interesting thread around. I have a feeling that if the moderators locked all of PI/Hooahguys/whoevers girl thread immediately and didn't let it take off, people would really start to feel the slowness and boringness of the place.

I don't post in the Frontroom myself a lot, never have, just go to the forums with things that are interesting and post there.
I'm not sure about non-political philosophy in the Frontroom, I think it does belong there, in a way all this advice on women is light philosophy as well.
Did you mention this because of an incident where your topic was moved or are you just assuming it's not allowed?

I mentioned it because Secura said that anything heavily philosophical isn't light enough for the frontroom. But heavily philosophical threads can be frontroom material if the subject is inoffensive. My example was me starting a thread about how people learn, what is the best way to learn, what is the best way to communicate knowledge etc...

[a completely inoffensive name]

Depends on the /r/ you're in. Get out of /r/politics!

I'm trying but the headlines just keep catching my eye!

[Andres]

For what it's worth, I kinda agree that philosphy has a place in the FR. There's nothing political or potentially offensive about let's say comparing empiricism with rationalism

It might indeed make the FR a more interesting place.

[Reenk Roink]

acin, I agree with you that the Frontroom can get boring for long stretches, but that's what it is, and it's always been like that. Same thing with the Backroom and the Gameroom. The Backroom especially has lost my interest, basically because we talk about the same topics over and over again.

But you can't force quality material to happen (remember that awful troll thread you made? ), it has to happen organically.

And you have to be willing to take the warnings. The different point of view threads we had a while back got me my first warning point ever! Me! But it was justified. And the crime was worth the warning point.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Banned from the Babe Thread, life just isn't fair. However, it isn't for ever so despair not.

[classical_hero]

We can ban people from specific threads? Cool.

[Banquo's Ghost]

acin, maybe you're just not a Frontroom sort of chap? You contribute substantially to the Backroom and (after a moderately shaky start) I consider you to be one of the more interesting and challenging (in the good sense of the word) posters there. Indeed, whilst your adopted internet persona may flinch at me saying so you set an excellent example nowadays.

You take the time to frame the starting post of a thread and continue to generate interest in the subject with your often insightful responses. When someone makes a good argument, you're one of the few in our happy band to accept they may have a point.

If you don't feel motivated to do the same to help improve the Frontroom, maybe it's not the place you ought to frequent instead of getting bored and giving in to your demons. If you have some ideas that you are worried might be controversial, run them past the Frontroom moderators before posting. I'm sure they would be pleased to guide you and re-energise the Frontroom by setting as good an example as you have in the Backroom. For example, I certainly don't see any reason why philosophical discussions can't be had in the Frontroom as long as people play nicely. Sport, philosophy, holidays, relationships, cheese (the good things in life) all could provide excellent talking points. I'm sure there's plenty more.