'Helping' stupid criminals

[Fragony]

How about a little controversy

Police is thinking about giving young serial-offenders a mandatory IQ-test, as a lack of empathy and a low IQ are closely related. The crimes these serial-offenders commit are usually very cruel, and commited against the weak, the old and the disabled. Easy targets. Almost without exception commited by north-africans. I am pretty sure what the outcome of the IQ-tests will be. Thing is, what to do once you know they are basicly retarded. So I propose that if their IQ lower than 80 they should be shut out from the gene-pool, they cannot be of any use to us as they are too stupid, and they are a plague for the weak because they lack the intelligence to feel empathy. So sterilise them so at least they can't hatch offspring that is likely to be just as useless, as the womb they import from the sandland comes from a place with an average IQ of 78. The Dutch have an average of 108, it ain't going to work no matter what, so why not some eugenics-light when it causes trouble

[a completely inoffensive name]

*facepalm*

"as a lack of empathy and a low IQ are closely related"

hey guys, lets sterilize those that were unfortunate to be born less intelligent, who cares about them retards?


I'm not even gonna mention the fact that IQ is heavily influenced by environmental surroundings. An african child can be the next Einstein but if doesn't get any nutrients its entire life, it ain't gonna be scoring high on the IQ test.

[Fragony]

*facepalm*

"as a lack of empathy and a low IQ are closely related"

hey guys, lets sterilize those that were unfortunate to be born less intelligent, who cares about them retards?

These guys have a criminal record so long that we might run out of trees if we print them out on paper.

leftist reflex control : talking about retarded serial-offenders not about people with merely a low IQ

[a completely inoffensive name]

These guys have a criminal record so long that we might run out of trees if we print them out on paper.

leftist reflex control : talking about retarded serial-offenders not about people with merely a low IQ

"So I propose that if their IQ lower than 80 they should be shut out from the gene-pool, they cannot be of any use to us as they are too stupid,"

I don't care what they did, all you did is just dress up (barely) intelligence based eugenics. As if that is ever a humane way for a culture to treat any part of itself. Take a look in the mirror totalitarian and tell me how it goes when the government has the power to implement eugenics if they don't meet "the test".

EDIT: And the main point I was making was that you showed a complete lack of empathy toward an entire group of people. And you know what they say about empathy and intelligence.

Idea: Why don't we just brand prisoners like the animals they are and have them eat grass. Arn't we such a grand and advanced civilization here.

[Hax]

Depends on whether or not you believe people, yes, even those with a dramatically low IQ, are prone to redemption.

Can't say I'd know.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Depends on whether or not you believe people, yes, even those with a dramatically low IQ, are prone to redemption.

Can't say I'd know.

No one deserves to have their balls cut off like a dog. This is mutilation, degradation and humiliation perpetrated by a blood lust against those which have wronged us.

We do not pull this kind of ****. If any of us wants to even think for a moment that we are above or different from animals, you cannot support any policy that essentially treats humans as animals.

[Fragony]

"So I propose that if their IQ lower than 80 they should be shut out from the gene-pool, they cannot be of any use to us as they are too stupid,"

I don't care what they did, all you did is just dress up (barely) intelligence based eugenics. As if that is ever a humane way for a culture to treat any part of itself. Take a look in the mirror totalitarian and tell me how it goes when the government has the power to implement eugenics if they don't meet "the test".

EDIT: And the main point I was making was that you showed a complete lack of empathy toward an entire group of people. And you know what they say about empathy and intelligence.

Idea: Why don't we just brand prisoners like the animals they are and have them eat grass. Arn't we such a grand and advanced civilization here.

Why call it 'barely eugenics', as I certainly don't. It's eugenics. There are fascilities for the criminally insane, sterilisation for the criminally stupid ain't that bad

[a completely inoffensive name]

the barely was meant to be before the "dress up" not describing the eugenics policy.

[Fragony]

the barely was meant to be before the "dress up" not describing the eugenics policy.

I'm not dressing anything up I am actively advocating eugenitcs de facto, and don't feel that bad about it. At least understand who you are arguing with, your moral rules don't mean anything to me

[Beskar]

But the biggest problem is this, Fragony, who else will make your ritual daggers, spears and shields which you love so much? (and which look pretty cool)

[Fragony]

But the biggest problem is this, Fragony, who else will make your ritual daggers, spears and shields which you love so much? (and which look pretty cool)

Got yet to get my hands on a real zulu shield but I will

Not a racist issue, but north-africans top every chart in every way when it comes to crime, and they ARE stupid because of inbreeding, nunerous studies have shown it's disastrous effects, many an Egyptian dynasty crumbled because of it, yet the islam had 1400 years to die or grow into this pervertion of humanity. Got a new sword by the way, 1.5 meter tall. BFS, big sword

[Major Robert Dump]

Um, won't announcing that you will go easier on dumb people make said criminals prone to faking in order to qualify? It is completely possible to fake an IQ test, it's just the only time one has a need for such thing would be in criminal defense, petition for welfare and running for public office.

I'm not so sure about forced sterilizing dumb people, as dumb people have the right to make little dumb babies that coo and giggle and make them happy dumb parents. I dunno about criminals. What gives me hesitation against sterilizing even sex criminals is that people are wrongly accused and convicted of rape sometimes, so depending on the manner and level of evidence would need to determine the punishment. .

I am, however, for voluntary sterilization with, of course, a healthy payment to the participant as a bribe to stop breeding. I believed they did this in Chicago or Detroit once a few years back, they offered women a couple thousand dollars to get their tubes tied. Of the 3 women who did it I think they had like 35 kids or something, all of them on welfare and unmarried. Of course, the NAACP went after the guy who was paying the women and called him a racist and he stopped.

[Subotan]

fragony

complains about lack of empathy

advocates eugenics

[Fragony]

fragony

complains about lack of empathy

advocates eugenics

Easy mia muca this is all hypothetical, a what if. I would never support it but it's worth talking about, does free speech bother your naturally widescreen eyes

[Strike For The South]

Intellegence is painfully relevant

[Kralizec]

term missing fragony

complains about lack of empathy

advocates eugenics

Is this a Haiku?

Eugenics are scary, and though I certainly don't agree with Fragony's proposal for forced sterilisation, it's a public secret that the mentally retarded (that's an IQ below 70, IIRC) are discouraged from procreating.

I'm all in favour of punishing maladjusted scumbags, regardless of color, under the full extent of the law for anti-social offences. However I don't see why we should punish them more severely if they happen to be, you know, incredibly stupid. It's not as if highly intelligent repeat offenders are more desirable. And giving courts the authority to bar someone from getting kids may be a cure that's worse than the ailment.

[Fragony]

'Eugenics are scary, and though I certainly don't agree with Fragony's proposal for forced sterilisation, it's a public secret that the mentally retarded (that's an IQ below 70, IIRC) are discouraged from procreating.'

Thx Krazeilic, this isn't exactly new mia muca's

[Kralizec]

Thx Krazeilic, this isn't exactly new mia muca's

You're welcome Frogany

[Rhyfelwyr]

But the biggest problem is this, Fragony, who else will make your ritual daggers, spears and shields which you love so much? (and which look pretty cool)

Africans. They can make them in Africa...

Anyway, I didn't know you had such a totalitarian side Frags. I don't like the idea at all, you want the state to have the power to sterilize you?

[Cute Wolf]

I agree with Fragony, and we should test his IQ first

*prepares scissors and scalpel*

[Tellos Athenaios]

@MRD: If I understand Fragony correctly this is just the police trying to get more meaningful stats about the people who regularly camp out over at their place. They're still presented with the full bill for the trouble.

As for IQ tests I'm not sure who thought of it, but whoever did think of that might want (or not) to sit an IQ test under conditions overseen by a competent examiner. I don't doubt the resulting score would immediately sober him up.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Easy mia muca this is all hypothetical, a what if. I would never support it but it's worth talking about, does free speech bother your naturally widescreen eyes

Great red herring. It is a terrible argument and shouldn't be considered, period. The way you presented it had you contradicting yourself and there is a term for those that don't obey moral rules, they are called sociopaths.

[Montmorency]

Great red herring. It is a terrible argument and shouldn't be considered, period. The way you presented it had you contradicting yourself and there is a term for those that don't obey moral rules, they are called sociopaths.

They do obey moral rules. Just not yours.

[a completely inoffensive name]

They do obey moral rules. Just not yours.

Ehhh. Don't feel like getting into that kind of a discussion right now. Pretty sure though definition of "sociopath" is someone who has no moral compass at all.

[Montmorency]

There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

(1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
(2) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
(3) impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
(4) irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
(5) reckless disregard for safety of self or others
(6) consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
(7) lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

B. The individual is at least age 18 years.

It is not there.

[a completely inoffensive name]

It is not there.

All of those are just characteristics of a lack of right and wrong. It is the term "DGAF" taken to the utmost extreme.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Eugenics is not a subject that is, or should be, forbidden.
However, it is divisive and the efforts made in this thread so far are less than "objective."

Given the poor start, I believe I will euthanize this thread.