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    Default Re: The ten year anniversary of the September 11th attacks on the World Trade Centre

    Out of defference to the gravity of the events and the still raw nerves, I will hold my tongue/pen/keys regarding my callous indifference to the past. Time should be spent discussing lives that might be lost in the future, but as JC said once and for always "let the dead bury the dead".
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    I was in second grade back then, 7 years old. Played at a friend's house that afternoon while the towers were hit. I learned about the attacks when my mother who came to take me from there at the regular time said in the car something about "The US being attacked with 2 planes." Then I though it would be an WW2-Style bombing conducted the way my Grandma had told me the bombings of Hamburg during her childhood were. So I knew that the attack meant war, and I remember a feeling of excitement because of that: I knew the US to be the world's leading military power and asked myself who would attack them and why only with 2 aircrafts, not with hundreds ( I was still thinking of it as a bombing by an army in that moment). I was excited and strangely GLAD I would see this war with the US's military machinery being in action.
    What had happened I learned that evening, though as a kid I didn't really understand the whole event. I only remember a me and a friend then laughing about the terrorists funny names the next days. Especially bin al-Shibh and Bin Laden were really funny for us (as you can make lots of puns with those names in German). The following events such as the Afghanistan war were observed by me with great excitement, though a bit disappointment that it was only a small war.Yes, kids seem to think strangely... I dont know why I was so militaristic back then and still feel ashamed when thinking about it. I knew at least a little that war is bad by the telling of my grandparents' generation, but still.

    My wishes go out to everyone over there who lost someone that day.

    Maybe there should be an other thread to discuss the effect of the event; I don't think this one suited for that.

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    I was too young and politically unaware to appreciate what happened. I remember a teacher coming into the class and saying something about it, but that's about it.
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    I was 20, at home, and only really bothered by the interruption in broadcast TV. Because it never affected me directly I never cared, still don't. Today I'm going to be VERY bothered by people trying to shove their tragedy down my throat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lars573 View Post
    I was 20, at home, and only really bothered by the interruption in broadcast TV. Because it never affected me directly I never cared, still don't. Today I'm going to be VERY bothered by people trying to shove their tragedy down my throat.
    Sometimes I wish things wouldn't get to me the way they do, but than again I like myself better this way. Will never forget the jumping people, nor do I really want to

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    It was one of the first days of my senior year in Highschool. Oddly enough, I put on a Yankees T-Shirt without even knowing about the attacks until shortly before I was heading out for the day. Everyone in my classes couldn't focus, including the teachers who were nervously looking at each other wondering what was happening; When school was out my brother and I drove to the lake; we didn't say much about it-- too early to tell what was going to happen; but we did know the had hit the fan and we were now at war.

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    I did read an interesting opinion piece about 9/11, though it might cause some people to get upset but it isn't 'anti-American', just a sad reality reflection since the event - http://harpers.org/archive/2011/09/hbc-90008237

    The Sad Legacy of Sept. 11
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    For weeks I’ve been dreading the 10th anniversary of 9/11, and not because I fear another attack. As a New Yorker who works below 14th Street, I’m reluctant to revisit the unhappy images I witnessed on that paradoxically lovely, cloudless day: the vast plume of smoke blowing eastward over my office building when I emerged from the Bleecker Street subway station around 9 a.m.; the thousands of dazed and ashen office workers tromping uptown in the middle of Broadway like refugees from a 1950s horror film; the soldiers armed with automatic weapons patrolling intersections; the constantly repeated television images of the two towers collapsing into rubble, people burned and crushed to bits—these are things I would prefer not to dwell on.

    But I’ve also been dreading this anniversary because of its predictable narrative as related by a placid media and opportunistic politicians: America the victim, an innocent nation violated by evil aliens who “hate our freedom” and our fundamental goodness. In this version of the 9/11 story, Osama bin Laden was a single-minded monster leading a foreign “ideology” called “terrorism,” the purest distillation of an anti-American fervour that contained no political motive beyond an ambition to destroy the “American Way of Life.” Bin Laden, according to this scenario, spent all his waking hours rereading and resenting the celebrated declaration in 1630 by the Puritan governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, John Winthrop, our first founding father, that “we shall be a City upon a hill; the eyes of all people are upon us. . . .” It seems that Winthrop’s reference to Matthew 5:14—”Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid”—was so offensive to the radical Islamist bin Laden that he organized four suicide squads just to knock the whole shining city off its self-righteous, exceptionalist perch.

    We don’t have to sympathize with bin Laden or even to understand his messianic thinking to know how wrong-headed and misleading our public recounting of 9/11 has become. Lost in the purity of America’s martyrdom are basic political realities: that bin Laden was a wealthy and well-connected Saudi Arabian, a former CIA asset, and America’s stalwart, only somewhat covert ally in the anti-communist jihad that drove the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan in the 1980s; that bin Laden felt betrayed when the Saudi monarchy allowed American troops—in his view, infidel agents of the devil—to use its sacred soil as a staging ground, in 1990-91, to dislodge Saddam Hussein from Kuwait; that bin Laden, already a very violent terrorist suspect, was somehow never apprehended in the 1990s—not even for questioning—because of the Saudi regime’s double game of protecting extremists while pretending to co-operate with Americans in the guise of “moderate Arab ally.”

    Why don’t we lament with equal passion each anniversary of 2/26? Because the first attempt to destroy the World Trade Center, in 1993, should have led, eventually, to the arrest of bin Laden in Sudan in late 1995 or early 1996, after he was expelled from Saudi Arabia. George W. Bush ought to have listened more attentively to the warnings of his counterterrorism chief, Richard Clarke, in 2001, but the Clinton administration’s decision to prevent the CIA from grabbing Osama in Khartoum—before he decamped for Afghanistan and greater feats of mayhem—remains the emblematic failure of American “intelligence” and foreign policy in the decade leading up to 9/11. Of course, either Clinton or Bush could have severed, or at least loosened, the Gordian knot that ties the White House to the House of Saud and its oil wells—thus removing bin Laden’s casus belli—but such daring logic rarely figures in the high councils of American leadership. The nearly 3,000 dead at ground zero, the Pentagon, and Somerset County, Pennsylvania, were not martyrs to American freedom; they were victims of American foreign policy, just so much collateral damage resulting from the thirst of U.S. businessmen and politicians for Middle Eastern petroleum and influence.

    John O’Neill, the FBI’s one-time director of anti-terrorism in New York, was quoted after 9/11 by two French authors saying that “all the answers, all the keys to dismantling Osama bin Laden’s organization can be found in Saudi Arabia.” This is likely still the truth. Unfortunately, O’Neill quit the FBI in frustration over what he said was Saudi pressure on Washington to squelch his investigation of al-Qaeda inside the kingdom of the Fahds—then went to work as security director of the World Trade Center, where he died on 9/11. The photograph of Saudi King Abdullah handing Barack Obama a valuable gold medallion on the president’s state visit to Riyadh in 2009—a symbolic “gift” to be sure—suggests that America’s meddling Middle Eastern policy will continue to discourage future John O’Neills from doing their jobs or the governing elite from learning any lessons.

    But delineating the failures of the Clinton and Bush Administrations to anticipate or prevent 9/11 doesn’t explain the apparently bottomless well of self-pity, vengeance, and rage on display these past 10 years. To combat “the terrorist threat” and respond to public outrage over bin Laden’s attack, presidents Bush and Obama have prosecuted two major and disastrous wars, authorized “targeted assassinations,” severely damaged the historic right of habeas corpus, and curtailed civil liberties by engaging in illegal surveillance and entrapment of “potential terrorists” on a scale not seen since the height of anticommunist paranoia during the Cold War. The torture conducted at Abu Ghraib and the prisons at Guantanamo and Bagram Air Force Base are stains on the American soul, while the FBI’s grossly unconstitutional practice of enticing Muslim-Americans into fictional “terror plots” is a scandal that deserves much greater exposure. How can we understand all of this anti-libertarian, “un-American” activity? Such angry, costly, and ultimately self-defeating overreactions can only be traced back to the wounded innocence that makes up so much of the American psyche.

    In fact, Americans should long ago have got over their sense of “exceptionalism,” their deep belief in their well-meaning sanctity. Slavery and the genocide against the Indians might be a good place to start a re-examination of American “innocence.” I lost any notion that such a thing existed when I watched the nightly television reports about American bombing and napalming of Vietnamese civilians; I lost it again when I finally read up on the poorly taught history of America’s brutal colonial war in the Philippines, the original counter-insurgency that introduced the American use of “waterboarding” to extract information. Graham Greene said it best in his Vietnam novel, The Quiet American: “Innocence is like a dumb leper who has lost his bell, wandering the world, meaning no harm.”

    The ongoing legacy of 9/11 appears to be more of the same: more killing in the name of saving lives, more repression in the name of defending liberty, more camouflaged Christian piety in the name of freedom of religion, more hypocrisy in the name of “American” values of truth and justice, more massacres of the English language (terrorism is a tactic not an ideology) in the name of straight talk. I don’t think it’s the legacy Americans deserve, and it is certainly the wrong memorial for the dead of 9/11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff View Post
    Out of defference to the gravity of the events and the still raw nerves, I will hold my tongue/pen/keys regarding my callous indifference to the past. Time should be spent discussing lives that might be lost in the future, but as JC said once and for always "let the dead bury the dead".
    I just found an opinion piece on Al Jazeera that may be in line with what you think, it comes close to what I think anyway.

    I'm not a fan of all this memorial, "never forget" stuff, 3000 people died due to a horrible crime 10 years ago, in the same timespan many, many more have died due to all kinds of other causes but somehow this is a big deal that needs national mourning etc. To me it feels a bit like people want to hang on to bitterness, hatred and fear and refuse to let go until...I don't know, maybe until America is the greatest shining gem of a nation again, which isn't happening because people hang on to those feelings.
    I can understand that family members and friends still mourn their loved ones who died that day, I'm talking about all the media attention and unrelated people here.

    Not to forget that acting like a wounded animal proves that all this talk about "we won't let them get to us or change our lifestyles" simply isn't true.

    What I hope for is not that we completely forget what happened but that people will be able to move on, life goes on, no remembering, mourning or new war will bring back the 3000 dead and I'd rather be afraid of cancer than terrorist attacks, and that's also where I'd rather see that much time and money invested.

    We're giving these scumbags more attention than they deserve IMO. And since attention is what they want, we're giving them what they want.

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    Interesting a lot of people say they are at war. Just who with? An individual, an organisation, regardless of how transparent or ambiguous we have become in asserting various organisations with being part of Al-Qaeda. Or are we at war with an ideology, an idea or a certain country in particular. For those who feel they are at war, it would be interesting to justify who with.

    Doubtless, it was a tragedy and will be one of the defining events of this century. I just hope the West doesn't compromise its moral character through activities such as torture because of that ghastly day.


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    I remember the event quite well. I watched the second plane crash into the towers and then went to work on a west coast military facility that day.

    I remember the shock that griped the nation and brought everyone together.

    But since then it has been used as a political tool to get people to agree to things and pass laws that are just outrageous.

    It is the national tragedy that politicians have capitalized upon.

    It has eroded our liberties with mostly feel good measures that have resulted in no meaningful increase in security.

    It has turned most western republics into security states.

    It is time for a reassment and to try to regain some of what we have lost.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    I remember the event quite well. I watched the second plane crash into the towers and then went to work on a west coast military facility that day.

    I remember the shock that griped the nation and brought everyone together.

    But since then it has been used as a political tool to get people to agree to things and pass laws that are just outrageous.

    It is the national tragedy that politicians have capitalized upon.

    It has eroded our liberties with mostly feel good measures that have resulted in no meaningful increase in security.

    It has turned most western republics into security states.

    It is time for a reassment and to try to regain some of what we have lost.
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    I avoided watching documentaries on 9/11 because it was too depressing. I didn't want to watch the towers collapse over and over again.

    Today is different. They're showing more average Joes and Jills and how they reacted during and shortly after 9/11. I'm seeing more personal footages that I've never seen before. I'm beginning to understand better how it was in NY. I'm even more curious because I've been to NY before. I have relatives and friends who live there.
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