stone forts

[fightermedic]

well dear ebII team, lets talk a bit about stone forts
i guess by now most of you have seen dominion of the swords way to arrange stone forts on the map
in MASSIVE number and as a substitute for smaller cities
while we all have not tried out yet if it really works, it at least appears! to be very good
any plans doing something similar?
here is one player who would love it (at least i guess so :D )

[Arjos]

IIRC they were discussing it, because you can't have permanent ones and non-permanent...
I must say I can see pros for both: protection while marching or "mobile" border wall are very nice, but at the same time having forts representing minor cities and such is interesting aswell...

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

IIRC the team has said that they will indeed use stone/permanent forts for representation of smaller cities. Don't quote me on that one though.





/Arthur, king of the Britons

[bobbin]

We will use PSFs to represent important settlements, I don't think we will have quite as many as DotS though.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

So that means no more limes-type structures / removable border fortifications?

[fightermedic]

I don't think we will have quite as many as DotS though.

that makes me sad :(

[Blxz]

So they are going to use the forts to represent towns like you wanted and that makes you sad.
Why not feel happy that they are doing what you asked for...

[Ca Putt]

A lot of forts increace the "siege percentage" don't forget that :P

oh btw: will these settlements be walled?

[Foot]

oh btw: will these settlements be walled?

Hopefully it will depend on the settlement. we can place different styles of forts, and we can remove the walls from some of these. However you will still need siege equipment to attack them.

Foot

[Arjos]

That's very nice!
I was worried it will end up with only one style of fortifications, that's like too good to be true :P

[B-Wing]

Wow, I did not know that there could be multiple stone fort styles! Nice.

Personally, I would like to see stone forts used very sparingly, since (as Ca Putt mentioned) they mean less field battles and more sieges. I greatly prefer field battles.

[Ca Putt]

Nice indeed, I presume this is dealt with via the culture, or not?

Something not used in The brittania campaign, for obvious reasons^^

[moonburn]

i guess my great wall of the north strategy is doomed by this :\

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Has it been confirmed that Permanent Stone Forts and the regular forts cannot be used in the same game/mod?

[jazstl]

Jah, well, some fort maps should not contain towns since a lot of battles were fought outside the towns...

[geala]

I'm not very pleased by this. Minor cities were not very often places which could be defended successfully. On the other hand field fortifications and temporary fortified camps played an important role in many conflicts. Only remember the Pyrrhos campaigns. And I would prefer to be able to build my own border defenses. I played M2:TW mods with permanent castles and I really did not like it, the castles were next to useless.

[Gustave]

PSFs won't be useless especially if they provide some income. They can be a good way to prevent the player from blitzing the AI's main cities, as well. Also, temporary forts are not very accurate for most factions and are very romano-centric.

[bobbin]

I'm not very pleased by this. Minor cities were not very often places which could be defended successfully. On the other hand field fortifications and temporary fortified camps played an important role in many conflicts. Only remember the Pyrrhos campaigns. And I would prefer to be able to build my own border defenses. I played M2:TW mods with permanent castles and I really did not like it, the castles were next to useless.

PSFs will represent other cities in the region, this does not necessarily mean they will be minor settlements, in fact in many cases they were bigger than the regional capitals and important places in their own right.

[stratigos vasilios]

PSFs won't be useless especially if they provide some income.

I didn't realise PSFs can provide income, was this originally in m2tw or a new modded in feature?

[bobbin]

I didn't realise PSFs can provide income, was this originally in m2tw or a new modded in feature?

No, it's a trick we do with immobile merchants and resources.

[Arjos]

Wouldn't it end soon as the merchant die?

[stratigos vasilios]

Wouldn't it end soon as the merchant die?

I'd guess you can either script to respawn a deceased merchant...or script for the merchant reset age when it reaches 100? Who knows.

[fightermedic]

No, it's a trick we do with immobile merchants and resources.

has this already been tested?

[B-Wing]

They can also provide free upkeep to some units, so that's an indirect form of income.

Also, if I understood geala's comments correctly, he was concerned about stone forts being too heavily fortified to realistically represent a small settlement during EB's timeframe. But the team can mod how the forts are layed out, so it shouldn't be an issue.

[bobbin]

Wouldn't it end soon as the merchant die?

Thats why we will write a script to respawn them when that happens.

has this already been tested?

Not but is but other mods use similar methods and it works for them.

Also, if I understood geala's comments correctly, he was concerned about stone forts being too heavily fortified to realistically represent a small settlement during EB's timeframe. But the team can mod how the forts are layed out, so it shouldn't be an issue.

My point was that the settlements that will be represented by PSF's were by no means small, if it wasn't for the settlement limit they would be capitals of proper regions in their own right.

[antisocialmunky]

Would it be possible to show culture trends in PSF by spawning religious agents at those locations? Would be interesting if occupying a PSF could speed up/slow down conversion. After all, Rome had many issues with controlling places like the Illyrian country side.

[fightermedic]

Not but is but other mods use similar methods and it works for them.

glad to hear that, looking forward to it very much!

hint: more psf = better :D

[Blxz]

hint: more psf = better :D

Not neccessarily. The perfect balanced amount = better.

All I can imagine is if they go overboard with them and the map is swarming so that I have to navigate around bloody forts everytime I turn around.

[fomalhaut]

the campaign map will be different according to culture and such, correct? as in we won't be running around medieval forts on the campaign map? it'd be cool if it can be done per culture

[Arjos]

the campaign map will be different according to culture and such, correct? as in we won't be running around medieval forts on the campaign map? it'd be cool if it can be done per culture

My guess is that the forts will share the model of cities, since they represent that...
Hope it's possible though :P